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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:40 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Unless the guys in the striped shirts during the Sharks series were media... :evil:


THERE!

Trust it Rummy TRUST IT!!

Deep down you know your Vancouver Canucks are a much better team than their last 2 playoff series suggest.

Take advantage of the Vegas odds and bet your house on your Vancouver Canucks! :thumbs:

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:57 pm

:lol:

As far as deadline aquisitions go, I'd rather try to fill the 3C slot there, as it's not that tough to do.

Elite wingers aren't readily available and you have to give to get... Burrows and Bieksa are two core guys I'd rather part with than the alternatives.

Bieksa has his moments but he fucks up more than any of our top-six defensemen.* Burrows is Burrows and I love the guy when he's not biting people, but his best days are behind him and we need OFFENSE. Nowhere near enough skill in our top six right now.

*keep in mind the Torster hates mistakes
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:15 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Elite wingers aren't readily available and you have to give to get... Burrows and Bieksa are two core guys I'd rather part with than the alternatives.


Lemmee get this straight, you wanna trade elite winger Burrows for an elite winger? :crazy:

Over the last 5 seasons only one Canuck has scored more goals than Burrows:

Daniel 143 + 18 = 161

Burrows 140 + 18 = 158

NO ONE IS EVEN IN THE BALLPARK AFTER THOSE TWO.

And Burrows doesn't see much #1 PP time.

No way do you trade a heart & soul guy like Burrows (gives Topper dirty look).

Madness....

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:19 pm

Now Bieksa I would trade if we could pick up a bigger tougher RH-shot top-4 dee.

Good luck widdat!

Mind you I have a feeling that under Torts, Kev will focus on less mistakes and more fighting.

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Topper » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:27 pm

Remember the rumoured Burrows-Bieksa for Hedman draft day deal that Burke later leaked.

Or was he just spreading rumours to slander the character of the players and teams involved.?
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:31 pm

Speaking of Burke and slander.... :look:

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:10 pm

Burrows is not an elite winger, and I think you know that Doc. He plays with the two best passers in the Conference and is a terrific defensive player who scores big goals.... but he really isn't that offensively talented and he isn't tough and the refs fucking hate him. He'll be 33 this season as well...

Like I said, love the guy... but the core needs a shakeup and he's a good place to start.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby vic » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:13 pm

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And I'm pretty sure it wasn't the media who crushed us in the first round two years in a row.





You're right, that honor goes to the teams' dear departed media darling of a coach.

In the last 14 playoff games (after getting that 2-0 lead against the Bruins in the SCF)

Lost players to injury, so did the opposition - their coach adjusted and won.

Self admission that he wasn't ready to face the Kings

Obvious glaring mistakes in all 4 games against the SJ, from line up decisions, players out at the wrong times, goaltending...etc the list goes on.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:47 pm

So Doc, who WOULD you trade?

You've said you want to keep the Sedins, and you seem appalled at the notion of moving Burrows.

Kesler is our best forward when healthy and he's finally healthy, not to mention very affordable for what he can bring.

Trading Hamhuis or Garrison is pure foolishness and Edler, who admittedly had a bad year, is our most talented defenseman and a guy who might really benefit from a new system.

Now you've been very vocal about getting bigger tougher meaner and Gillis needing to make bold moves... do you think getting tougher on the 4th line or third pairing means diddley fuck to a team's success? Every NHL team has size and toughness in those positions.

The team needs a change on the front lines and I don't see how we can do that when the only players you're willing to part with play on the bottom six and the third pairing.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Uncle dans leg » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:15 pm

I'm with Rummy here. The team needs more changes than just coaching. One thing though...I wouldn't actually exclude trading Kesler.

Yes he is a valuable player but the refs hate him as well and he has shown a propensity of late to spend way too much time out of the line up.

The return on a trade or 2 involving Kesler/Burrows/Bieksa could be massive if Gillis keeps his cards close to his chest. With the 2 excellent young centre prospects VCR has acquired I can see a potential opportunity to re-tool/re-build this team on the fly while shipping off some declining assets that we've likely seen the best out of.
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Rumsfeld » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:20 pm

The problem with trading Kes is that he's one of the few forwards on the team who actually emulates the hard-nosed style we all want to play.

But for the right return I'd trade anybody.

*kicks Gillis in the nuts for trading Cory*
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Uncle dans leg » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:25 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:The problem with trading Kes is that he's one of the few forwards on the team who actually emulates the hard-nosed style we all want to play.

But for the right return I'd trade anybody.

*kicks Gillis in the nuts for trading Cory*

It all boils down to what you get back I suppose.

Horvat sounds like an excellent start...considering we needed a player like him in our system much more than a second #1 'tender.

I just wish it was Luongo who was the one who brought Bo to VCR
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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:39 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Burrows is not an elite winger, and I think you know that Doc. He plays with the two best passers in the Conference and is a terrific defensive player who scores big goals.... but he really isn't that offensively talented and he isn't tough and the refs fucking hate him.


Daniel was supposed to be the best goal-scorer when that line was put together

... yet Burrows has consistently outscored Daniel at even strength.

As a matter of fact Burrows is 4th among elite scoring wingers in that category over the past 3 seasons:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-in ... r_by=goals

(Stamkos is a centre).

BTW do you see anyone else in that top 30 besides Burrows and Dupuis (23rd) who play on the #1PK unit?

Didn't think so! :thumbs:

And Alex is VERY tough..... ummm pound-for-pound. :look:

The refs hate him because he's an asshole. :thumbs:

Burrows never complains no matter how much an idiot coach makes him switch lines/play centre/etc.

You just don't trade a guy like Burrows, you just don't...

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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:The return on a trade or 2 involving Kesler/Burrows/Bieksa could be massive if Gillis keeps his cards close to his chest.


OMG, just the other day I saw a guy at Calpuck suggesting the Canucks trade Kesler and Burrows.


















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Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Strangelove » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:50 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:So Doc, who WOULD you trade?


This summer I've suggested trading Edler, Bieksa, Booth, high draft picks, and possibly Tanev.

Obviously we'd need a dee coming back if we traded one of those dee (a RHS if it's Bieksa/Tanev).

And this is with an asshole-only shopping list in hand.

Yes, we'd hafta sweeten the pot if we traded Booth, but the idea was to create cap-space for another move.

I also suggested (while the buyout window was open) to take back a bad contract along with a top player.

But yeah, maybe we do that next year....

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