tantalum wrote:But the problem with the "he would have helped us" argument is that the aspect of the game he DOES suck at is PRECISELY the reason he wouldn't have been afforded such great opportunities to use his offense to help the team. He would have been riding the pine because a guy that can't hold his own against 3rd and 4th line centers of good teams is not going to be put on the ice by AV unless he absolutely has to do so. And even then he would try Raymond or Burrows at center first.
Rumsfeld wrote:But as if we couldn't have used Cody in the playoffs last year when Roy was invisible and the Canucks generated zero offense. The kid can shoot the puck, which with the exception of Kesler is a rare commodity up front for your Vancouver Canucks.
Roy was softer and less skilled than Hodgson and we gave up a good pick for him... so it's not like moving Hodgson made us bigger down the middle. So far all it's given us is a fourth liner with no defensive game to add to our offensive arsenal.
Rumsfeld wrote:For the record I love the player Kassian COULD turn into... but the player he is right now looks pretty awful compared to the guy we gave away for him.
Rumsfeld wrote:You don't think Cody would be sitting around waiting for an offer if he were a UFA, do you?
It's not that I think Cody is this amazing player either... it's that I think he's better than what we got for him and what we've replaced him with.
Rumsfeld wrote:Really hope Kassian is the better player one day, but even if he is, that trade set us back the last two seasons. And to say we couldn't have really used Cody and his high-end shot in the playoffs is flat-out homerism and I thought this board was better than that.
Rumsfeld wrote:That is complete speculation and it's unfounded. AV gave him lots of icetime in our huge regular season game against Boston and he responded with a big goal.
When Cody played here people hacked on his defense but now you make it sound like he is the worst defensive forward in the league. Did you watch the Sedins defensively last season? They were absolutely godawful.
Cody would have gotten a regular shift in the playoffs and been used bigtime on the PP. Stop trying to rewrite history to make yourselves feel better.
And just to clarify Tant, you'd have rather had Kassian in the playoffs last year than Hodgson?
You don't think Cody would be sitting around waiting for an offer if he were a UFA, do you?
The fact that the Buffalo Sabres are trying to get younger shouldn’t be lost on Hodgson – he is still a young up and coming center in the National Hockey League, but the fact that Steve Ott, Mikhail Grigorenko, Zemgus Girgensons, and Tyler Ennis have all got a shot at a center position at training camp, Hodgson could be waiting for some guarantee from the Buffalo Sabres that he has a solid standing with the team, and won’t be fighting for minutes on a team struggling to find an identity.
Rumsfeld wrote:Can't wait 'till Kesler gets traded, then we can all talk about how much he sucked too.
BurningBeard wrote:Rumsfeld wrote:Can't wait 'till Kesler gets traded, then we can all talk about how much he sucked too.
I think we've already establish Cody was a better prospect.
Rumsfeld wrote:Tanev is also still waiting around as an RFA. Trade the cancer.
Rumsfeld wrote:Tanev is also still waiting around as an RFA. Trade the cancer.Hey tant, you can throw all the stats around you want, but remember the PP in the playoffs that couldn't score? You really think Hodgson wouldn't have played a major role on that second unit and scored a goal or made a play in those four games? The only guy on our entire forward roster who can put the puck on net from outside the circles with any velocity is Kesler. Roy was completely invisible in that series and for all his alleged skill he did nothing on the PP either.
Why would anyone think he would when two of the best PP players in the game struggled all year? Or a guy who is experienced and had some fine playoffs in Roy struggled? Seems completely presumptuous to think that the sophmore makes any sort of difference.What you guys don't seem to grasp is I'm not saying we had to keep Cody indefinitely. Especially if he wanted out. What I'm saying is that we should have gotten a more for-sure prospect or an established player for him. You guys make it sound like Kassian was the only option.
tantalum wrote: Seems completely presumptuous to think that the sophmore makes any sort of difference.
I'm not 100% convinced he is a for sure prospect. I think he has an NHL career ahead of him but I'm not sure it's one that sees him playing important roles on contending teams at this point.