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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby dbr » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:23 am

Rumsfeld wrote:That said he's worthnothing right now and I have hopes he'll come to camp healthy and have a strong season. Where to play him though? He and Kesler have been terrible together and he's not exactly checking line material.


If you give any credence to advanced stats he is actually a positive influence on possession out there.. both in terms of his own numbers and in terms of his effect on other forwards playing with/without him (including Kesler).

I wouldn't put him out there shadowing Kopitar or anything like that but it would seem he can hold his own and keep things heading in the right direction.

Unfortunately he also seems to be one of those rare players that drives down shooting percentage when he's on the ice.

Anyway I don't really buy the idea that he can't play with Kesler, but if you were looking for another spot with him he might do well with a center like Jordan Schroeder in relatively soft matchups - physical presence, good territorial player, could benefit from a center who distributes well...

Who knows what the Canucks bottom six is going to look like but I think Booth has most of the right skills (some, not all) to be moved around to virtually any line and contribute there.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:46 am

To me that is one of the keys with Booth, he needs a centre that will distribute the puck. Kesler can do that but he is more of a shoot first type of centre, and when his shot is on I have no problem with that. They did show glimpses of good chemistry and then Booth's injury problems began and they never seemed to get back to what appeared to be the makings of a good AMEX line. But playing with JS maybe a good fit for Booth.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Tciso » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:46 am

Hockey Widow wrote:To me that is one of the keys with Booth, he needs a centre that will distribute the puck. Kesler can do that but he is more of a shoot first type of centre, and when his shot is on I have no problem with that. They did show glimpses of good chemistry and then Booth's injury problems began and they never seemed to get back to what appeared to be the makings of a good AMEX line. But playing with JS maybe a good fit for Booth.


That might be the only place he fits in, cuz if Kassian is with the twins, and Burr is with Kess and Higgins, our 3rd line will likely be Booth, JS and Hansen. If there is any chemistry, I like it a lot. But, a lot is riding on Kassian fitting with the twins, and Booth being able to fit in anywhere. I know Kassian can play with the twins, but for how long? His game fell off last season after he was demoted, and the rest of the league got their skating legs back. And, Booth has skills, but missed most of last season, and sucked during the games he was back. I don't hold that against Booth, as a lot of guys suck when coming back from injuries to the legs (groin and knees). Hopefully, he's 99% healthy this year.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby herb » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:08 am

Many have been in favour of dumping Booth for a bag of pucks due to his Twitter persona and contract. I would be fine moving Booth, but only if we bring in somebody who can bring more to the table than he can. Dumping him for the sake of dumping him makes no sense. He is overpaid, but not by an astronomical amount. He’s no Gomez, Komisarek or even Ballard. He is a useful player.

When Booth has been healthy here, he has scored at a 20+ goal pace, brought some physicality, he has “driven” play in the right direction and has been respectable defensively. He is a very good skater and a good forechecker. This team has traditionally been at its best when it implements an aggressive forecheck, and I think Booth can be a valuable piece in that.

The AMEX line was successful and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that unit reunited. Their Corsi rating, if you’re in to that sort of thing, was off the charts.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:15 am

Booth and Kassian actually had some nice chemistry last season before Booth's annual season-ender. :scowl: It was one of the few times Kassian looked halfway decent last year outside of the first couple weeks of the season.

Maybe Torts could alternate Booth and Burrows on the Sedin and Kesler line to see if there's something worth exploring there. Man, does that second line ever need a playmaker though.*

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby herb » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:24 am

Rumsfeld wrote:Man, does that second line ever need a playmaker though.*

*don't say Schroeder, I'll lose it


Yes it does. Too bad there wasn’t cap space and a vet like Demitra available.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Tciso » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:29 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Booth and Kassian actually had some nice chemistry last season before Booth's annual season-ender. :scowl: It was one of the few times Kassian looked halfway decent last year outside of the first couple weeks of the season.

Maybe Torts could alternate Booth and Burrows on the Sedin and Kesler line to see if there's something worth exploring there. Man, does that second line ever need a playmaker though.*

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby SKYO » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:10 pm

herb wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:Man, does that second line ever need a playmaker though.*

*don't say Schroeder, I'll lose it


Yes it does. Too bad there wasn’t cap space and a vet like Demitra available.


The only decent option is Higgins, on a wing and a prayer that 2nd line of Booth-Kes-Higgins stay healthy though.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:28 pm

Higgins is a third-liner. That's where he excels: checking and along the boards. He doesn't have the hands, the dishing ability or the shot to cut it up there and he's not getting any younger.

If Higgins is on your second line and you're healthy you're a pretty shallow team up front. I like Hansen and him flanking whoever centers the third line though.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:31 pm

Tciso wrote:SCHROEDER, SCHROEDER, SCHROEDER !!!

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That's ridiculous, why would my

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Topper » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:41 pm

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby SKYO » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:27 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Higgins is a third-liner. That's where he excels: checking and along the boards. He doesn't have the hands, the dishing ability or the shot to cut it up there and he's not getting any younger.

If Higgins is on your second line and you're healthy you're a pretty shallow team up front. I like Hansen and him flanking whoever centers the third line though.


Well we are a shallow team up front lol.

But it sounds like Torts wants Kass with the twins right off the bat and then re-unite Burr with RK full time, so yeah Higgins and Booth will fight it out for 2nd/3rd line LW duties.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Tiger » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:02 am

SKYO wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:Higgins is a third-liner. That's where he excels: checking and along the boards. He doesn't have the hands, the dishing ability or the shot to cut it up there and he's not getting any younger.

If Higgins is on your second line and you're healthy you're a pretty shallow team up front. I like Hansen and him flanking whoever centers the third line though.


Well we are a shallow team up front lol.

But it sounds like Torts wants Kass with the twins right off the bat and then re-unite Burr with RK full time, so yeah Higgins and Booth will fight it out for 2nd/3rd line LW duties.


So we get 2 decent scoring lines if Booth gels with Kes and burrows... plus Sedin sedin and Kassian.. only problem is the Sedin line will be weak defensively.. See if Torts can get the twins playing well defensively and Kassian learns that part of the game..
Higgins Hansen and the midget on the 3rd line ? might work though I am not sold on Schroeder...
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Rumsfeld » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:35 pm

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Strangelove » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:11 pm

Well four months ago the Great Strangelove predicted:

"Gagner is prolly gonna demand $6mil after the way the Coil jerked him around last summer."

The arbitration hearing is tomorrow and Sammy is apparently seeking $5.5mil:

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-o ... rbitration

Is the Great Strangelove the only one who saw that one coming?

The Coil have backed themselves into a corner here, Gagner can become a UFA at age 24 next summer.

If they wanna buy some of those UFA years, they're gonna hafta... finally... pay up.

They had an excellent chance to do that last summer but forced Gagner into a 1-year $3.2mil deal.

Well as the old saying goes "Payback is a bitch mofos". :mex:

As the Great Strangelove said exactly one year + one day ago:

"I don't get why the Oil is dicking around with a guy like Gagner. This kid is going to be a big star. An Einstein on ice. Shoulda wrapped him up long-term on @ $4mil+ per imo."

The Great Strangelove also suggested offer-sheeting Gagner last summer @ $5mil X 4 years.

An over-payment yes, but hey that's how offer-sheets work.

At the very least you force a division rival to overpay one of their up-n-coming stars.

The Great Strangelove figured Gagner could've been the 2nd line centre while Kesler was out.

And then slid over to the wing on a Booth-Kesler-Gagner line.

The Great Strangelove figured a playmaker like Sam would have been just what the doctor ordered for those two.

Oh well.

Anyhoo, glad to see the wedge being driven between Gagner and the Oilers.

Sure hope he walks away next summer....
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