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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby tantalum » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:00 am

To add...

You have to build a competitive farm team in order to properly develop younger players (at least IMO). Part of that is signing good AHL players and to do so you may have to sweeten the pot a bit by giving that NHL hope.

Last year the canucksat some point called up guys like Gordon, Joslin and Jensen. The year before Bitz, Duco, Sulzer etc.

There is a good chance that during the season you have to go 3 or 4 deep on the forwards and a couple deep on the blueline. Chances are if the parent club is needing to go a couple players deep that the farm team is also experiencing injuries and having to go a few deep into their ECHL depth. When those inievitable call ups happen, the player you want to bring up has to be healthy and preferably he is playing well. It means you need to stock the farm team with more than just a couple options on NHL deals.
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby dbr » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:09 am

Island Nucklehead, I don't think FAN is complaining about the two-way deals per se, I think he is just suggesting that a lot of these guys will never see one of those two pay grades so it's pointless to have them occupying a contract spot.

As far as I'm concerned I'd expect that the team has worked out how many contract spots they need this season for players on the NHL roster, players likely to see time there at some point and other prospects who won't but who need to be kept in the fold - and that when they offer an NHL deal to a career AHLer they're doing so with some level of certainty that it won't prevent them from improving the NHL club later.

Put it this way, I would guess the more important AHL players probably want to get an NHL contract and will wait on (and accept) a contract from an NHL team rather than simply signing with an AHL franchise - it is, I would guess, simply the price of doing business if you want to scoop up key players for your AHL franchise and the Canucks most definitely need to do that.. the cupboard is less bare than it was a year ago but no way do we have the talent to ice a winning AHL roster without outside help.
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby FAN » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:07 am

dbr wrote:Island Nucklehead, I don't think FAN is complaining about the two-way deals per se, I think he is just suggesting that a lot of these guys will never see one of those two pay grades so it's pointless to have them occupying a contract spot.

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tantalum wrote:You have to build a competitive farm team in order to properly develop younger players (at least IMO). Part of that is signing good AHL players and to do so you may have to sweeten the pot a bit by giving that NHL hope.

Last year the canucksat some point called up guys like Gordon, Joslin and Jensen. The year before Bitz, Duco, Sulzer etc.

There is a good chance that during the season you have to go 3 or 4 deep on the forwards and a couple deep on the blueline. Chances are if the parent club is needing to go a couple players deep that the farm team is also experiencing injuries and having to go a few deep into their ECHL depth. When those inievitable call ups happen, the player you want to bring up has to be healthy and preferably he is playing well. It means you need to stock the farm team with more than just a couple options on NHL deals.


You always want capable guys as your "first call-ups". Preferably those guys are legitimate prospects. Otherwise, you have fringe NHL players with NHL experience such as Santorelli and Ferriero. But the preference for legitimate prospects is one of the reasons the Canucks acquired their own farm team in the first place. This year is suppose to be better than previous years as the farm team should be filled more with legitimate prospects than previous years. Sure there's nothing wrong with signing guys like Santorelli and Ferriero who have recent NHL experience to two two-way contracts or a young guy like Blain, but maybe you don't waste a contract on a 30 year old player who hasn't played in the NHL in years (Pascal Pelletier)? Nathan Longpre did well in camp but the Canucks didn't sign him to an NHL contract. They had the Wolves sign him. Purchasing AHL contracts is an easy matter. Again, it looks like the Comets are starting to sign their own players to fill out the roster so my question has been answered.
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby Jovocop » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:33 am

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First ever Comet!! :) A 6'2" 174 lbs 22 years old defenseman with a total of 6 AHL games under his belt.
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby black ace » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:55 pm

Jovocop wrote:
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You can welcome Sacha Guimond, the first #Comets player signed, to Utica, here: @Guimond15 #ItsBack

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Defenseman of the Year becomes #Comets first signing. Sacha Guimond inks deal with Utica.


First ever Comet!! :) A 6'2" 174 lbs 22 years old defenseman with a total of 6 AHL games under his belt.


Kind of the guy you want to be on an AHL contract. I think I read somewhere he was the top or one of the top d men in the ECHL.

A depth AHL player who if he plays well maybe gets a 2 way deal next.

Anyone know if AHL deals have out clauses or anything like that that isint allowed in the NHL ?
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby Strangelove » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:03 pm

black ace wrote:Anyone know if AHL deals have out clauses or anything like that that isint allowed in the NHL ?


Pretty sure most AHL contracts have out-clauses if an NHL contract is offered.
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby Jovocop » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:08 pm

Here you go, the second Comet (one of the invitees to the development camp):

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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby dbr » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:28 am

black ace wrote:
Jovocop wrote:
Utica Comets ‏@UticaComets
You can welcome Sacha Guimond, the first #Comets player signed, to Utica, here: @Guimond15 #ItsBack

Utica Comets ‏@UticaComets
Defenseman of the Year becomes #Comets first signing. Sacha Guimond inks deal with Utica.


First ever Comet!! :) A 6'2" 174 lbs 22 years old defenseman with a total of 6 AHL games under his belt.


Kind of the guy you want to be on an AHL contract. I think I read somewhere he was the top or one of the top d men in the ECHL.

A depth AHL player who if he plays well maybe gets a 2 way deal next.

Anyone know if AHL deals have out clauses or anything like that that isint allowed in the NHL ?


ECHL Defenseman of the year last year. Played his way onto a team in training camp, got traded midseason and went nearly PPG after that.

Seems like he's taken a pretty bizarre route.. QMAA, NOJHL, OHL, QMJHL, ECHL, AHL..
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby Jovocop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:54 am

Another Comet, another defenseman. A third round pick of the Flames in 2007. :|

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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby Aaronp18 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:25 am

Jovocop wrote:Another Comet, another defenseman. A third round pick of the Flames in 2007. :|


Well at least we know for a fact that his development was stunted by the organization that drafted him.
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Re: Canucks buy Peoria Rivermen - AHL

Postby Jovocop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:41 am

Aaronp18 wrote:
Jovocop wrote:Another Comet, another defenseman. A third round pick of the Flames in 2007. :|


Well at least we know for a fact that his development was stunted by the organization that drafted him.


That is why the Canucks keep signing players drafted by the Oilers, Flames, Panthers, and Islanders. :lol:
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