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If an overhaul of this team is needed, which of the following players who should MG shop around...

Hank and Danny
12
7%
Edler
44
25%
Booth
45
26%
Higgins
8
5%
Bieksa
15
9%
Ballard
45
26%
Hamhuis
2
1%
None of the above
2
1%
 
Total votes: 173

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Southern_Canuck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:35 pm

herb wrote:A few things to keep in mind going forward are that there is no way our power play cannot improve, Kesler (the straw who stirs the drink) will start the year healthy and Edler and Bieksa are capable of being much better than they were.
Hahaha - that is so true!

Not many people talking about it, but as you point out it will be almost impossible to have a worse power play than how the Canucks finished the year.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by herb » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:55 pm

dangler wrote:The Sedins best years are behind them,the teams success will be predicated on Booths,Hansens and Kassians contributions, Kesler's health,and a rookie or 3 making the squad. Sedin regression is here.
We will see how much, if any, they regress, but I can guarantee you that Booth, Hansen and Kassian will not outscore them. For better or for worse they are still the forwards this team is built around.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by herb » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:59 pm

Southern_Canuck wrote:Not many people talking about it, but as you point out it will be almost impossible to have a worse power play than how the Canucks finished the year.

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Our impotent power play easily cost us a handful of games last year, and that was only a 48 game season. There is no reason that this roster should be ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league in that respect.

Keeping the PK strong and getting the PP back into the top 1/3 of the league absolutely need to be priorities. We do that and we’ll be OK in the regular season.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Ronning's Ghost » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:22 pm

It occurs to me that Gillis isn’t the only one with the prerogative and incentive to make Bold moves to improve the Canucks – Tortorella has that option, too. Consider the following (though I doubt he will):

Henrik and Daniel Sedin are genetically identical, meaning that they have exactly the same athletic potential. Which one played which position was entirely a matter of chance growing up, and of course if they wanted to be on the same line, only one could play centre. Although he is not exactly every poster on this board’s cup of meat, Henrik Sedin has been, both statistically and in the estimation of his peers, one of the top centres in the world for the past five or so seasons.

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.

The twins will embrace the move enthusiastically, because it will allow direct, head-to-oversized-head statistical comparisons for their friendly fraternal rivalry. Of course there will be learning curve, but the upcoming season will be a long enough to allow for that. As I see it, there is almost no chance that Daniel will make anything less than an above-average NHL centre, and a good chance that he will be an excellent one. Assuming Daniel does at least make it to average, the move accomplishes the following useful things:

>Suddenly very deep at centre. If Schroeder makes the team at all, he does it as a lower-middle-class man’s Martin St. Louis (which I think he has a chance of doing).
>Henrik shoots more, improving his overall effectiveness.
>Balanced scoring. Kesler’s line can focus on the shut-down / counterpunch role in which he truly excels, relieving the need to find a “third” line centre, even as his line leads the team in ice time (the other teams will probably want to play their top line centres a lot).
>Only one “soft” Sedin on the ice at a time on the ice to protect, helping to improve overall forward “stiffness” factor.

They could be re-united for power plays, when the extra room has (historically) provided the greatest chance for Sedin-ery to flourish.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:45 pm

The twins are great players despite what some would have you believe. That said Danny is a winger. You don't just start playing centre at 32 ...not to mention they are both pretty weak defensively at this point so do you want two shitty defensive centres eating up 36 - 40 minutes a game, really ??

I agree with splitting them up for an extended perios because they are too damned complacent playing every fucking shift together and often over pass the damned puck. You would have two elite playmakers on the top 2 lines.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Meds » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:07 am

Ronning's Ghost wrote:It occurs to me that Gillis isn’t the only one with the prerogative and incentive to make Bold moves to improve the Canucks – Tortorella has that option, too. Consider the following (though I doubt he will):

Henrik and Daniel Sedin are genetically identical, meaning that they have exactly the same athletic potential. Which one played which position was entirely a matter of chance growing up, and of course if they wanted to be on the same line, only one could play centre. Although he is not exactly every poster on this board’s cup of meat, Henrik Sedin has been, both statistically and in the estimation of his peers, one of the top centres in the world for the past five or so seasons.

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.
Where your theory has holes is that Daniel is a faster skater, they train together and the same way, but Henrik has said that Daniel has always been a stride or two faster since they were kids. Henrik has taken the same abuse that Danny has, but Daniel has had several injuries that have cost him weeks out of the lineup. No I'm not counting the concussion from Keith. They are twins, but they genetically identical still allows for variances in attributes and personality. Hank sets up Danny, Dank will take a shot. If Danny sets up Hank, Hank will take a shit before he tries a shot.....he'll try to make the pass back most times.

Look at their faces, look at when they smile. These identical genetics have given Daniel a more angular face and some nearly perfect teeth, Henrik has a rounder looking face and is a bit gap toothed.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Topper » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:21 am

Ronning's Ghost wrote:It occurs to me that Gillis isn’t the only one with the prerogative and incentive to make Bold moves to improve the Canucks – Tortorella has that option, too. Consider the following (though I doubt he will):

Henrik and Daniel Sedin are genetically identical, meaning that they have exactly the same athletic potential. Which one played which position was entirely a matter of chance growing up, and of course if they wanted to be on the same line, only one could play centre. Although he is not exactly every poster on this board’s cup of meat, Henrik Sedin has been, both statistically and in the estimation of his peers, one of the top centres in the world for the past five or so seasons.

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.

The twins will embrace the move enthusiastically, because it will allow direct, head-to-oversized-head statistical comparisons for their friendly fraternal rivalry. Of course there will be learning curve, but the upcoming season will be a long enough to allow for that. As I see it, there is almost no chance that Daniel will make anything less than an above-average NHL centre, and a good chance that he will be an excellent one. Assuming Daniel does at least make it to average, the move accomplishes the following useful things:

>Suddenly very deep at centre. If Schroeder makes the team at all, he does it as a lower-middle-class man’s Martin St. Louis (which I think he has a chance of doing).
>Henrik shoots more, improving his overall effectiveness.
>Balanced scoring. Kesler’s line can focus on the shut-down / counterpunch role in which he truly excels, relieving the need to find a “third” line centre, even as his line leads the team in ice time (the other teams will probably want to play their top line centres a lot).
>Only one “soft” Sedin on the ice at a time on the ice to protect, helping to improve overall forward “stiffness” factor.

They could be re-united for power plays, when the extra room has (historically) provided the greatest chance for Sedin-ery to flourish.
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Re: Roster Questions

Post by wafflecombine » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:19 am

Ok Topper... that's pretty damn offensive and entirely innappropriate to this board.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by SKYO » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:35 pm

Hejduk not going to be re-signed by the Av's, MG should sign him to a one year deal using the 7.5% cap allowance, to finally get that extra sniper to help our putrid secondary scoring.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:31 pm

wafflecombine wrote:Ok Topper... that's pretty damn offensive and entirely innappropriate to this board.
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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Strangelove » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:33 pm

SKYO wrote:Hejduk not going to be re-signed by the Av's, MG should sign him to a one year deal using the 7.5% cap allowance, to finally get that extra sniper to help our putrid secondary scoring.

http://thehockeywriters.com/colorado-av ... Writers%29
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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Topper » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:13 am

wafflecombine wrote:Ok Topper... that's pretty damn offensive and entirely innappropriate to this board.
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Re: Roster Questions

Post by wafflecombine » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:39 am

Ronning's Ghost wrote:

Therefore (bold move): move Daniel to centre.
I understand what you are suggesting Ronning but I disagree with how it might be implemented. while I am sure Daniel would embrace the challenge of being a centre, its not a simple skill set you can jump into and succeed at. That's why centres are so covetted throughout the league. Because of his natural ability he might make a servicable centre but I think we can find solutions down the middle at a much lower cap hit.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by Rumsfeld » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Kassian needs to start looking like an NHL forward this season or I'm going to be pretty fucking disappointed watching Hodgson get a PPG on Sportscenter.

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Re: Roster Questions

Post by nuckster » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:18 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Kassian needs to start looking like an NHL forward this season or I'm going to be pretty fucking disappointed watching Hodgson get a PPG on Sportscenter.

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