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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby JonT21 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:37 pm

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby griz » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:37 pm

Orcas > Sharks > Bears > Panthers > Coyotes > Penguins > Ducks
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Topper » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:55 am

Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby tantalum » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:33 am

The media folks that actually cover the Bruins have called bullshit on that security guard stuff.

That said, he may have a touch of the O'Brien in him.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Per » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:11 am

Lancer wrote:
donlever wrote:
rats19 wrote:*sigh *


Yeah affordable young up and coming quality players to play with the still youthful Getzlaf and Perry while averaging down their overall cost.

And they're in our division now right.

sigh indeed.


Silvferberg definitely has potential but he's largely unproven. He has flashes but disappears. He's not a lightweight like soon-to-be-flame but he doesn't have Ryan's size. I don't know if Noesen is going to help them next season, and a 1st is a 1st.

Decent move by both the Ducks and the Sens, but you knew that kind of trade was not going to happen between the Ducks and the Canucks - for the same reason Schneider was never going to go to Edmonton for the price Jersey paid (if Gillis would have traded him there at all).

Put it this way - would you rather see Ryan coming down the wing with the puck at Luongo or Silfverberg? I would choose the latter as a Canuck fan.

Silfverberg may be unproven in the NHL, but he has *HUGE* potential. His last season in the SEL (now renamed the SHL) he won the Swedish equivalents of Hart, Conn Smythe and Lady Byng and scored the championship winning goal while setting a new record for goals scored in the playoffs. All at the tender age of 21...

It may take him another year or two to adapt to the NHL, but he'll become a major star once he does.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby BurningBeard » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:43 pm

tantalum wrote:That said, he may have a touch of the O'Brien in him.

Everyone in Boston has had a touch of O'Brien in them. :D
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby tantalum » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:49 pm

BurningBeard wrote:
tantalum wrote:That said, he may have a touch of the O'Brien in him.

Everyone in Boston has had a touch of O'Brien in them. :D


There was a reason I picked O'Brien.....
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby darren » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:29 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
darren wrote:I guess people can stop ragging on the Leafs for the Kessel trade now.


I take Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton 11 times out of 10 over Phill Kessel. Not to mention Kessel is a UFA while the other two are cost controlled for the next several years.


I realize that it's de rigueur around here to hate the Leafs and all their works, but this trade provides further evidence of what is already clear: Phil Kessel is better than Tyler Seguin. Hamilton might still end up tipping the scales but on the whole that trade is not as bad as it is made out to be.

Seguin makes 5.7m (in Sedin territory)... not sure how that is "cost controlled". Kessel's next contract won't be much higher than that, if at all. That's first line money and Seguin has yet to show he's a first line player. The Bruins aren't exactly loaded with scorers, yet Seguin still can't assert himself as part of the core? Kessel has proven to be a first liner, in spades. Look at the numbers... regular season, playoffs (4G against Boston, or 4x as many goals as Seguin managed in 1/3 the games).
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:33 pm

darren wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
darren wrote:I guess people can stop ragging on the Leafs for the Kessel trade now.


I take Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton 11 times out of 10 over Phill Kessel. Not to mention Kessel is a UFA while the other two are cost controlled for the next several years.


I realize that it's de rigueur around here to hate the Leafs and all their works, but this trade provides further evidence of what is already clear: Phil Kessel is better than Tyler Seguin. Hamilton might still end up tipping the scales but on the whole that trade is not as bad as it is made out to be.

Seguin makes 5.7m (in Sedin territory)... not sure how that is "cost controlled". Kessel's next contract won't be much higher than that, if at all. That's first line money and Seguin has yet to show he's a first line player. The Bruins aren't exactly loaded with scorers, yet Seguin still can't assert himself as part of the core? Kessel has proven to be a first liner, in spades. Look at the numbers... regular season, playoffs (4G against Boston, or 4x as many goals as Seguin managed in 1/3 the games).


Kessel was 8th in scoring last year. He was 6th the year before. His next contract could be for north of $8M a season. Getzlaf/Perry will be tossed around as comparison. If he signs for under $7.5M/per I'll be shocked.

Of course he's a better player than Tyler Seguin. He's also older. Over his first three seasons Kessel scored at a .41, .45 and .85 PPG pace. Seguin has done .30, .42 and .66 PPG. They could be very similar production-wise, if Seguin ever puts hockey first. Hamilton adds value to the B's side of the trade. Kessel might be the best player available at the time, but I think their franchise would be better off with Seguin/Hamilton/Knight. Especially when Kessel leaves as a UFA or gets his big raise.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby ClamRussel » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:51 pm

tantalum wrote:The media folks that actually cover the Bruins have called bullshit on that security guard stuff.

That said, he may have a touch of the O'Brien in him.


Perhaps the "hackers" planted that story as well.

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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Meds » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:55 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
darren wrote:
I realize that it's de rigueur around here to hate the Leafs and all their works, but this trade provides further evidence of what is already clear: Phil Kessel is better than Tyler Seguin. Hamilton might still end up tipping the scales but on the whole that trade is not as bad as it is made out to be.

Seguin makes 5.7m (in Sedin territory)... not sure how that is "cost controlled". Kessel's next contract won't be much higher than that, if at all. That's first line money and Seguin has yet to show he's a first line player. The Bruins aren't exactly loaded with scorers, yet Seguin still can't assert himself as part of the core? Kessel has proven to be a first liner, in spades. Look at the numbers... regular season, playoffs (4G against Boston, or 4x as many goals as Seguin managed in 1/3 the games).


Kessel was 8th in scoring last year. He was 6th the year before. His next contract could be for north of $8M a season. Getzlaf/Perry will be tossed around as comparison. If he signs for under $7.5M/per I'll be shocked.

Of course he's a better player than Tyler Seguin. He's also older. Over his first three seasons Kessel scored at a .41, .45 and .85 PPG pace. Seguin has done .30, .42 and .66 PPG. They could be very similar production-wise, if Seguin ever puts hockey first. Hamilton adds value to the B's side of the trade. Kessel might be the best player available at the time, but I think their franchise would be better off with Seguin/Hamilton/Knight. Especially when Kessel leaves as a UFA or gets his big raise.


Comparing Perry and Getzlaf to Kessel is laughable. Phil Kessel is a one dimensional scorer who doesn't engage physically....at least not effectively. Perry and Getzlaf do it all at both ends of the ice. Every player goes through slumps an scoring droughts, but Kessel has consistently had periods where he goes several games without a point, during those times he's not bringing anything to the ice. If he wants long term he will settle for a small raise, otherwise he goes short term, one or two years, and gets a deal similar to Semin's.....who, incidentally, is a comparable player IMHO.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:20 pm

Meds wrote:Comparing Perry and Getzlaf to Kessel is laughable.


Not if your Kessel's agent. Kessel has produced more points than both those guys over the past couple seasons. He'll get paid, and it will be for more than Semin (who's never been a top-10 scorer).
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby dbr » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:38 pm

Yeah Semin is a poor comparable. He's Russian which clearly makes many GMs cagey, he barely speaks the language and doesn't fit in well with many teammates, his own team walked away from him which I'm sure raises even more question marks for some.

Kessel is not the stereotypical "good Canadian (North American, whatever) kid" but he has been under colossal pressure in Toronto and has performed and produced more than adequately.

He runs hot and cold but when you end up putting 300 pucks on goal every year and scoring your fair share of those teams are going to line up - if he hits free agency he'll get more than Semin (who hit the market after an off year), more than Parise (who clearly didn't go to the highest bidder), more than Vanek.. etc.

Not necessarily a guy I'd want to build my team around but what the market values most, he does best.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Meds » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:29 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Meds wrote:Comparing Perry and Getzlaf to Kessel is laughable.


Not if your Kessel's agent. Kessel has produced more points than both those guys over the past couple seasons. He'll get paid, and it will be for more than Semin (who's never been a top-10 scorer).


LOL! Good point on the part about Kessel's agent. However, if I'm a GM negotiating with this agent I'm going to remind him of the following.....

Kessel is, at best, a 40 goal scorer. Semin's goal scoring totals stack up similarly.

Semin is a career 0.40 goals per game player, Kessel is a 0.36. Their ppg numbers are 0.88 ppg and 0.75 ppg respectively.

Semin is a career plus-79, Kessel is a minus-36.

Kessel is younger by 4 years, but they have played nearly the same number of games, 504 for Kessel and 513 for Semin.

But you sound like you're arguing that he's up there with Getzlaf and Perry. So let's look at that.

Getzlaf, 0.94 ppg. Perry, 0.81 ppg. They are plus-81, and plus-47 respectively.

Perry has won a Rocket Richard and a Hart Trophy. They both have Stanley Cup rings.

Kessel isn't in that class yet.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Meds » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:33 pm

dbr wrote:Yeah Semin is a poor comparable. He's Russian which clearly makes many GMs cagey, he barely speaks the language and doesn't fit in well with many teammates, his own team walked away from him which I'm sure raises even more question marks for some.

Kessel is not the stereotypical "good Canadian (North American, whatever) kid" but he has been under colossal pressure in Toronto and has performed and produced more than adequately.

He runs hot and cold but when you end up putting 300 pucks on goal every year and scoring your fair share of those teams are going to line up - if he hits free agency he'll get more than Semin (who hit the market after an off year), more than Parise (who clearly didn't go to the highest bidder), more than Vanek.. etc.

Not necessarily a guy I'd want to build my team around but what the market values most, he does best.


Did you say more than Parise????? You're telling me Kessel is going to make close to as much as Crosby and Malkin? I mean, more than Parise is closing in on $8M. Nobody is giving Kessel that much.
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