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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Diehard1 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:46 pm

Hoss wrote:I highly recommend the HF Canucks board right now. Chicken Littles screaching and scratching all over the place. Quite entertaining.

For a website dedicated to prospects you'd think they'd have heard of Lack, Eriksson and Cannata.


It's amazing how clueless people on that board are. It's difficult to read given most of the posters act like 8 year olds, but they do get info sooner than most.

On Horvat, I've never seen him play but I like the sounds of a two way guy with good physical play and the upside to be an offensive guy. A player like him was needed, and given Gaunce, Jensen and Corrado are near ready at least there will be young players ready to contribute on cheap deals soon.

On the value received for Schneids - that I'm not sure about. If Horvat is all that then I'm happy, but it's a gamble. Schneids was a very good player for this team and AV loved him, but AV isn't here anymore. I'm still fine with trading him in theory, I'm just not sure this is the value I expected. The fact that Lu is still there as an elite goalie and Schneids would return something tangible means this trade makes sense, though it's a bit tough to stomach right now.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Lancer » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:48 pm

RoyalDude wrote:I can't believe some are shocked that MG didn't trade Schneider to the Oilers. Holy fuck grab a brain. One our biggest nemesis in our division ? Seriously, the math isn't hard.

I actually love this. Horvat is a very good player. Don't be surprised after years gone by that Horvat will be one of the 5 best players in this class. He will be our Ryan OReilly/Patrice Beregeron

Gillis just made a fan. Me

I also predict that Luongo will forever be the better goalie.


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Dude, you could knock me over with a feather... :lol:

To quote somebody else here: I agree.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby tantalum » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:50 pm

I think the HFboards crowd is up in arms because they believe goaltenders have huge value. They simply don't seem to no matter how good. And while I believe the Islanders and Flyers are absolute dipshits for not giving a reasonable asset for Luongo it is what it is. Moreso the Islanders who gave up Niedereiter for Cal fucking Clutterbuck. Had they offered up Niedereiter for Luongo I imagine it would have garnered some interest from the canucks.

As it was Gillis had two goaltenders who provide good goaltending and will do so for a few more years and 3 goaltending prospects he thinks highly of. one of his starters has zero value and the other top 10 draft pick value. It's the beginning of the off season where one has the luxury of addressing future and in the now needs. Future was addressed. Now wasn't going to return a young superstar in waiting skater but rather established filler. I may think the value is somewhat off but it seems like a good pick. Only time will tell.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby wafflecombine » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:54 pm

Honesty HW, I am not sure when Edlers NTC kicks in other than its pre- free agency.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby BurningBeard » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:59 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Gillis just made a fan. Me

This may actually be a bigger revelation then the Corey Schneider trade.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:00 pm

The call in gang at 1040 are a real intelligent bunch. Mad that Gillis didn't get a star player that can help now. Do they realize how screwed this team is with the cap? Idiots

I feel a bit better about our future up front, now. All thumbs up to the deal, stays competitive now but enhances the future outlook.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:02 pm

As I said all along, MG was in a no win situation. No matter what he did he would be criticized but here we have our own beloved RD liking the deal. Hell has frozen over.

We pick up 4 million in cap, get younger, get a centre and get the drama over.

Luongo will report, he will say all the right things , he will be fine. He will be excited when camp roles around. This sis his team again. Well, until Lack....
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Canuck-One » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:05 pm

The only trades where I thought we won hands down was when we got Luongo and when we picked up Naslund. I have to admit the Erhoff trade was pretty good too but I wasn't really sure who he was at the time. Now MG has removed the cap threat and picked up a potentially good 3 c with the ability to be a 2nd C. Not too bad at all. I have always considered Luo to be the better goalie, my only concern is if he wants to stay. If he wants to stay, no problem, good deal.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby tantalum » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:05 pm

When Schneider emerged as a viable starter and everyone knew one was going to be gone I think most would have been reasonably happy with a top 10 pick in a good draft. Maybe something a little more but ti certainly wasn't going to be a top 10 pick and blue chip prospect. Top 10 pick and reasonable prospect or blue-chip plus late first round/second round pick.

So when all is said and done that is what Gillis got that top 10 pick for one of his goaltenders. It may not be the one we assumed was moving but so be it. I find it hard to complain all that much.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Potatoe1 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:06 pm

Would have liked a roster player as well, but over all we got "some" value for a goalie.

Corrado will make the team next year. Gaunce and Jensen both making progress. Now the 9th and 24th pick in a very strong draft.

Will be nice not hearing about how bare the cupboards are in these parts.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:11 pm

I don't think a lot of folks realize how good a prospect Horvat is. This kid is good. We just need prospect wingers now, centre is set.

I'm surprised with today's events. Fully expected nothing or a dumb ass trade rivalling the Ballard trade
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Mondi » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:14 pm

I thought the idea was to go for it with this core. And the idea in trading CS was to acquire parts to help this season.

It's nice to have a good prospect, but this guy isn't projected to be a franchise player so I fail to see how this deal helps the Sedins, Kesler and gang win this season or next.

Is Bo Horvat going to lead us to the promise land in 2020? Is that the idea here?
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby cjc » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:16 pm

I hate this. Gillis screwed up royally on his handling of the situation. Now we have a goalie who knows the franchise was pulling the plug on him and are only keeping him because they can't move his contract. The goalie we annointed only found out about his trade while watching the draft. What kind of a shit show is this? This is the first time I'm hugely embarrassed as a Canucks fan - riots and everything. It's like we've rebounded to the Arthur Griffiths, 24 year old GM days. I am disgusted. So much for us being a premier franchise. What a crock.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby BurningBeard » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:17 pm

RoyalDude wrote:I don't think a lot of folks realize how good a prospect Horvat is. This kid is good. We just need prospect wingers now, centre is set.

I only follow junior hockey when the WJHC are on, but it sounds like he has everything you want in a center. Question is, is he good enough to be slotted into our lineup this season? If that's the case, I think many will see the deal as a win.
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Re: MacKenzie: Corey Schneider to NJ for 9th overall pick

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:24 pm

The team didn't pull the plug on their franchise goalie. Their franchise goalie, for personal reasons wanted to go back east. That lead to the team accelerating CS to see if he could take over, he could, but then we couldn't move Luongo.

I'm warming to this. At least we get a good top draft pick and shave 4 million off the cap.
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