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Re: Daddy needs a new pair of shoes, so buy me out baby...

Post by Hockey Widow » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:42 pm

Zedlee wrote:
vic wrote:Looks like the Leafs tried to buy the 3rd overall draft pick for $30 Million, NHL stepped in and said "I don't think so"
Buyout trade between Lightning, Maple Leafs for Vincent Lecavalier reportedly nixed

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/26/tr ... edly-nixed
Creative move. Seems the sticking point was that TB wanted to then re-sign Lecavalier, who would be a UFA. The league said no, but really, is that fair? I understand you can't buy out a player and then re-sign him, but if it were the Leafs who did the buy out, what's the problem?

And Nonis who has been just as vocal about cap circumvention was all over this? What a dick.
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Post by Rumsfeld » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:44 pm

Holy shit, the league did something that I don't hate.

Hawks winning the Cup and the Leafs getting the 3rd overall pick would just be too much.
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Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:45 pm

5thhorseman wrote:After the buyout, Lecavalier would've been UFA, so there'd be no guarantee he'd resign with the Lightening, or am I missing something here?
I'm sure Lecav guaranteed Tampa he'd re-sign with them.

Lecav has gone on record many times that he wants to finish his career in Tampa.

He'd have to waive his NTC to go to Toronto and he wouldn't do that unless he was in on this.

He has mentioned the only team he might waive to go to would be Montreal...
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Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:48 pm

vic wrote: Looks like the Leafs tried to buy the 3rd overall draft pick for $30 Million
Gives you an idea of how it is in the best interest of both the poor team and the rich team to effectively deal prospect for $..... via the Compliance Buyout. :wink:
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Post by Topper » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:59 pm

Wow, Boston got a 2nd over all and a ninth overall out of TO for $27.7 mil.
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Post by Vader » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:02 pm

Zedlee wrote:
vic wrote:Looks like the Leafs tried to buy the 3rd overall draft pick for $30 Million, NHL stepped in and said "I don't think so"
Buyout trade between Lightning, Maple Leafs for Vincent Lecavalier reportedly nixed

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/26/tr ... edly-nixed
Creative move. Seems the sticking point was that TB wanted to then re-sign Lecavalier, who would be a UFA. The league said no, but really, is that fair? I understand you can't buy out a player and then re-sign him, but if it were the Leafs who did the buy out, what's the problem?
The Leaves would be essentially trading cash for a draft pick with no cap consequences. How can the NHL allow that 6 months after locking out their own fans claiming it needed to get it's house in order?

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Post by $lacker » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:04 pm

Would the Canucks buying out RL with a wink wink, nudge nudge agreement with Philly that he would sign there and then Philly sending the Canucks their 1st rd pick for say, Schroeder, be considered cap circumnavigation?

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Post by Vader » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:10 pm

$lacker wrote:Would the Canucks buying out RL with a wink wink, nudge nudge agreement with Philly that he would sign there and then Philly sending the Canucks their 1st rd pick for say, Schroeder, be considered cap circumnavigation?
As long as the NHL couldn't connect the dots it wouldn't be circumvention

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Post by Jovocop » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:23 pm

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$lacker wrote:Would the Canucks buying out RL with a wink wink, nudge nudge agreement with Philly that he would sign there and then Philly sending the Canucks their 1st rd pick for say, Schroeder, be considered cap circumnavigation?
As long as the NHL couldn't connect the dots it wouldn't be circumvention
It might be pretty hard. Daly warns teams to play by the book with buyouts, trades...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426385

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Post by Topper » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:27 pm

Why on fucking earth would you trade the 3rd overall for a cheaper Vinnie?
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Post by Rumsfeld » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Topper wrote:Why on fucking earth would you trade the 3rd overall for a cheaper Vinnie?
Good question. They're broke-ass cheap cunts?
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Post by Vader » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:34 pm

Jovocop wrote:
Vader wrote:
$lacker wrote:Would the Canucks buying out RL with a wink wink, nudge nudge agreement with Philly that he would sign there and then Philly sending the Canucks their 1st rd pick for say, Schroeder, be considered cap circumnavigation?
As long as the NHL couldn't connect the dots it wouldn't be circumvention
It might be pretty hard. Daly warns teams to play by the book with buyouts, trades...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426385
Therein lies the risk to the team - it's at the NHL's discretion

I don't think the NHL would have a huge problem with a DiPietro + good prospect for Luongo type trade because exchanging bad contracts is part of the business of the sport...but flat out selling a draft pick for cash isn't

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Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:37 pm

Topper wrote:Why on fucking earth would you trade the 3rd overall for a cheaper Vinnie?
Don't forget they'd no longer be obliged to paying Lecav that $55mil over the next 7 years

... and/or no Recapture penalty.

Pay Vinnie $1mil per?

Savings = #30mil + $50mil = $80mil.

Then there's the extra cap-room option

... giving them the opportunity to sign some stars and make a Cup run = mo money. :mex:
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Post by Hockey Widow » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:33 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Topper wrote:Why on fucking earth would you trade the 3rd overall for a cheaper Vinnie?
Don't forget they'd no longer be obliged to paying Lecav that $55mil over the next 7 years

... and/or no Recapture penalty.

Pay Vinnie $1mil per?

Savings = #30mil + $50mil = $80mil.

Then there's the extra cap-room option

... giving them the opportunity to sign some stars and make a Cup run = mo money. :mex:
And trade for Luongo cause now they could afford his cap hit :mrgreen: :mrgreen: And if it works then trade him to the Leafs next year and let the Leafs use their second compliance buy out and resign him like Vinny. Perfect world again.
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Re: Daddy needs a new pair of shoes, so buy me out baby...

Post by Strangelove » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:19 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Topper wrote:Why on fucking earth would you trade the 3rd overall for a cheaper Vinnie?
Don't forget they'd no longer be obliged to paying Lecav that $55mil over the next 7 years

... and/or no Recapture penalty.

Pay Vinnie $1mil per?

Savings = #30mil + $50mil = $80mil.

Then there's the extra cap-room option

... giving them the opportunity to sign some stars and make a Cup run = mo money. :mex:
Okay, that was a test (extremely crappy math).

I am SO pissed that no one called me on it.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??!! :evil:

You people really DO believe everything you read don't you. :cry:
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