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ukcanuck wrote:What's the deal with this buyout thing anyway? Who pays, the team or the owner?
How about the party that signed the contract. It would be silly for it to be anyone else.
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BladesofSteel wrote:Not sure if this has been discussed, but are the compliance buy-outs only an option for this summer? Tha is, the two buy-outs that do not count against the cap.
This off-season and next.

"In 2013, the buyout period begins 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Final ends and concludes on July 4 at 5 p.m."

It will be a similar time frame in 2014.
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Mondi wrote: I just can't see FA going out of his way to buy the Canucks out of their problems.
You haven't been paying attention.

Aquaman has always looked for ways to spend million$ over the cap.

It pays off for him financially in the long run.
Mondi wrote: If this ownership/management group has been anything, it is patient, measured and arrogant. Do we really think they will say one thing to the media and do another?
You haven't been paying attention.

Ownership/management has never been directly quoted on this matter.

Two of the three "journalists" giving "inside information" have stated Gillis has a green light on buyouts.

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A coupe of things:

The amnesty buy out is a maximum of two players spread out over this year or next. So you can use both this year or none. What you don't use this year is available to use next.

As for the cap recapture question I would assume that since the contract is bought out there is no longer any worry about cap recapture moving forward. The penalty is in the buy out I would guess.
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Hockey Widow wrote: As for the cap recapture question I would assume that since the contract is bought out there is no longer any worry about cap recapture moving forward. The penalty is in the buy out I would guess.
I wouldn't be so sure seeing as how it's a "CAP recapture" penalty.

It's designed to penalize teams who circumvented the cap.

But who da fock knows amirite? :mex:
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Hockey Widow wrote: As for the cap recapture question I would assume that since the contract is bought out there is no longer any worry about cap recapture moving forward. The penalty is in the buy out I would guess.
I wouldn't be so sure seeing as how it's a "CAP recapture" penalty.

It's designed to penalize teams who circumvented the cap.

But who da fock knows amirite? :mex:

I get your logic but I would doubt that if the contract is bought out thereby negating it moving forward there is anything left to penalize.
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Mondi wrote: It's one thing to put a few guys in on LTIR who are "injured", it is another to bring in a guy like Di Pietro and pay him millions not to show up, just to get a prospect.
You didn't read the link did ya? :mex:
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ukcanuck wrote: The reason I ask is this rumour that linguini is not happy with buyouts, as if its coming out of his kids college fund.

Seems to me that's illogical.
Yup, the rumour doesn't pass the sniff test.

And Botch and Iain Mac have both called bullshit on it.
Even if linguini is a cheap bastard he should still buy out Keith Ballard because he could probably get a better defenseman for the 1/3rd he saves on Ballards 4.25.
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Hockey Widow wrote: I get your logic but I would doubt that if the contract is bought out thereby negating it moving forward there is anything left to penalize.
How about being penalized for the 2010-11, 2011-12, and 2012-13 seasons?

When we paid Lou $10mil, $6.7mil, and $6.7mil... with a mere $5.3mil cap hit.

We're supposed to pay for that with a future cap penalty according to the new "Cap Recapture" clause.

PERHAPS the Compliance Buyout erases that past transgression, but personally I have my doubts.

How about the media does it job and finds out, says I. :evil:
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Mondi wrote: I read your link, I'm aware of Reinprecht and Luko, and hiding a few vets in the minors. I just think those are relatively small fish when compared to what you're proposing.
What have I proposed exactly? :mex:
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Strangelove wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: I get your logic but I would doubt that if the contract is bought out thereby negating it moving forward there is anything left to penalize.
How about being penalized for the 2010-11, 2011-12, and 2012-13 seasons?

When we paid Lou $10mil, $6.7mil, and $6.7mil... with a mere $5.3mil cap hit.

We're supposed to pay for that with a future cap penalty according to the new "Cap Recapture" clause.

PERHAPS the Compliance Buyout erases that past transgression, but personally I have my doubts.

How about the media does it job and finds out, says I. :evil:
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Hockey Widow wrote: Tweet Dreger!
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Potatoe1 wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
ukcanuck wrote: The reason I ask is this rumour that linguini is not happy with buyouts, as if its coming out of his kids college fund.

Seems to me that's illogical.
Yup, the rumour doesn't pass the sniff test.

And Botch and Iain Mac have both called bullshit on it.
Even if linguini is a cheap bastard he should still buy out Keith Ballard because he could probably get a better defenseman for the 1/3rd he saves on Ballards 4.25.
Yeah. If there isn't a trade market right now, he is the one guy you buy out.

Booth at least has the potential for a 25-goal season, which would make his contract somewhat palatable.
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Hockey Widow wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote: I get your logic but I would doubt that if the contract is bought out thereby negating it moving forward there is anything left to penalize.
How about being penalized for the 2010-11, 2011-12, and 2012-13 seasons?

When we paid Lou $10mil, $6.7mil, and $6.7mil... with a mere $5.3mil cap hit.

We're supposed to pay for that with a future cap penalty according to the new "Cap Recapture" clause.

PERHAPS the Compliance Buyout erases that past transgression, but personally I have my doubts.

How about the media does it job and finds out, says I. :evil:
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LOL

The existing contract is bought out - gone - extinguished - swimming with the fishes - wear cement golf shoes - holidaying in Italy with it's kid.

Pick a euphemism.

New team, new contract, with nothing to blow back on the old teams plate of spaghetti.
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Topper wrote: The existing contract is bought out - gone - extinguished - swimming with the fishes - wear cement golf shoes - holidaying in Italy with it's kid.

Pick a euphemism.

New team, new contract, with nothing to blow back on the old teams plate of spaghetti.
We circumvented the cap big time for 3 years.

Not to sound like Spuds and Coco at an S & M convention but...

WE NEED TO BE PUNISHED!!
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