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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Topper » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:25 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Amirite? You guys are giving the Flames fans grief over Iggy's poor play with the Penguins?

No, we're laughing at Flames fans who perceive any success an ex Flame has as a surrogate for Flames success.

Would you have felt the Canucks had success if Naslund won a cup with the Rags. Did you feel pride through to the bone when Matt Cooke had his name engraved upon the Grail?
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:23 pm

All the love for AV over there now that he is a Ranger. I swear they just want to criticize the Canucks no matter what they do. But then go to the thread under who the Canucks next coach will be and it is filled with hate for AV's style, how he coached the players to dive and whine.

I guess the fact that I read their stuff and come back here to post makes me just as bad.

Let the season end so the off season can begin please! Need to get back to some Luongo rumours. Like the Panthers are back in the number one slot for getting him. Comes from the same guy who told me Torts will be out next coach. Take it for what its worth. But the deal will be an accommodation deal for Luongo so no big return, just a lot of cap space.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Strangelove » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:38 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Panthers are back in the number one slot for getting him.


I say they've always been in the number one slot.

When a player of Luongo's magnitude wants to go from a big market team to a specific small market team

... it's incumbent upon both teams to make it happen

(especially when the two teams are located as far away from each other as possible).

Lu will win games and SELL TICKETS in Florida (the owners were quick to okay his salary).

And it makes the Canucks look classy to send him to where he wants to go.

WIN WIN

The only problem is that Gillis and Tallon have had a hard time determining "fair value".

Also Tallon thought his team was good enough to make the playoffs again without Lu. :roll:

I've said it all along: He's going to the Panthers.

Book it. :thumbs:
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby coco_canuck » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:57 pm

HW's little inside nuggets alone have elevated the value of this here hockey board.


At this point, cap space and a couple late round picks is about as good as it gets. When Luo goes on to play lights out for whatever team gets him, a long list of other suitors will be holding their dicks knowing they could have had him for next to nothing.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Strangelove » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:06 pm

coco_canuck wrote:At this point, cap space and a couple late round picks is about as good as it gets.


Lou has to be worth more than that.

The Leaf-loving eastern media did their best to make Lou's value seem lower than it really is.

But GMs see through all that bullshit.

I still think a package like Matthias and Petrovic can be had.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Topper » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:09 pm

Unless Ed Snider and his Comca$t want him
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Strangelove » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:12 pm

Topper wrote:Unless Ed Snider and his Comca$t want him


Nah, their offer would merely drive up the asset-package Canucks inevitably get from the Panthers.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Rumsfeld » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:19 pm

Strangelove wrote:
coco_canuck wrote:At this point, cap space and a couple late round picks is about as good as it gets.


Lou has to be worth more than that.


He's worth what folks are willing to pay... and so far that's less than a second round pick. The length of his contract has apparently totally crushed his value.

It sucks, but I would be happy at this point if he fetched a 2nd and a half-decent prospect. The team really needs to move on from this bullshit and the cap space is the biggest asset we're like to receive.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Strangelove » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:22 pm

Oh the team will definitely move on from this bullshit in short order Rummy.

How can you be so sure his value is so low?
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Rumsfeld » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:24 pm

Strangelove wrote:Oh the team will definitely move on from this bullshit in short order Rummy.

How can you be so sure his value is so low?


Well I only know what everybody else knows... Gillis couldn't move him all season and the most interested bidder wouldn't take him for a 2nd rounder on deadline day.

So basically Gillis couldn't give him away to the Leafs. Maybe another party will step up and be willing to pay more...

But I wouldn't count on it.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Strangelove » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:45 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:Well I only know what everybody else knows... Gillis couldn't move him all season and the most interested bidder wouldn't take him for a 2nd rounder on deadline day.


Not sure how sure "everybody" can be sure about any of that.

However everybody knows it's easier to trade for a #1 goalie and the salary that goes with that in the off-season.

Rumsfeld wrote:So basically Gillis couldn't give him away to the Leafs.


True or not, that has no bearing on the market for Luongo this summer.

Teams will make offers hoping Lou choo-choo-chooses them.

And, in the end, Gillis and Tallon will figure out a fair price.

Lou is still a top 10 goaltender for at least another 4 years.

That's gold to teams that have been suffering with poor goaltending.

He has value Rummy.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:48 pm

Rumsfeld wrote:
Strangelove wrote:Oh the team will definitely move on from this bullshit in short order Rummy.

How can you be so sure his value is so low?


Well I only know what everybody else knows... Gillis couldn't move him all season and the most interested bidder wouldn't take him for a 2nd rounder on deadline day.

So basically Gillis couldn't give him away to the Leafs. Maybe another party will step up and be willing to pay more...

But I wouldn't count on it.



No, he could have given him away to the Leafs but chose not to. He was prepared to give him away for a couple of picks and a back up but the Leafs wanted more blood from MG, he didn't give in and give Luongo away. I agree with Doc, the eastern media and the Leafs did all they could to devalue Luongo. I think he gets moved, I think we gets something decent back but no where near real hockey value. The cap space is key without us having to bring a contract back.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby coco_canuck » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:49 pm

Strangelove wrote:I still think a package like Matthias and Petrovic can be had.


Hope you're right, that would be a great deal for us.

I sort of see it the same way Rummy does, the Canucks were willing to move him for two 2nds at the deadline so teams probably aren't offering a whole lot more at this point unless, like Topper says, Gillis can create some sort of bidding war with a team like the Flyers.

The ace in the hole for Gillis would be to take back a contract, say Upshall and his $3.5M contract for next two years, and buy-out that deal in order to get back something more significant in return. But if what HW and others say is right, that Aquaman isn't keen on buy-outs, then we shouldn't really expect that to happen.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby SKYO » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:50 pm

coco_canuck wrote:HW's little inside nuggets alone have elevated the value of this here hockey board.

At this point, cap space and a couple late round picks is about as good as it gets. When Luo goes on to play lights out for whatever team gets him, a long list of other suitors will be holding their dicks knowing they could have had him for next to nothing.


No doubt, damn Florida always bending MG over a barrel. :P
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And as SL said even just getting Matthias would be awesome imo.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby coco_canuck » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:55 pm

Strangelove wrote:And, in the end, Gillis and Tallon will figure out a fair price.

Lou is still a top 10 goaltender for at least another 4 years.

That's gold to teams that have been suffering with poor goaltending.

He has value Rummy.


There's no doubt Luongo is gold. Good hockey people should know this but his contract still carries some risk and with the cap going down teams are feeling the cap crunch, even if it only ends up being for one year with the way league revenues seem to be trending.
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