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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Strangelove » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:57 pm

black ace wrote:Im doubtfull Gillis would do that to a guy weeks away from his no trade kicking in though.


That's the problem with Gillis.

He's too nice of a guy.

And everything filters down from the top.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:19 pm

black ace wrote:I would look at trading him if it returned a young top 6 center and a bottom pair defenceman. Move tanev up to a top 4 role with Hamhuis,Bieksa,Garrison.

Philly would be a good fit as they have a couple of young centers but they just picked up Streit so...

Im doubtfull Gillis would do that to a guy weeks away from his no trade kicking in though.


Great points Ace.

You know I had almost forgotten you won the BC Lions CC pool a few years ago. But then I saw your sig and I was like, "Oh yeah, black ace won the BC Lions CC pool like three years ago".

Pretty sweet man.

I bet that really rubs the salt in for the other seven people involved in that pool, wherever they are. Way to stick it to 'em buddy.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Reefer2 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:25 pm

Strangelove wrote:
black ace wrote:Im doubtfull Gillis would do that to a guy weeks away from his no trade kicking in though.


That's the problem with Gillis.

He's too nice of a guy.

And everything filters down from the top.


Amen brother.

Too much a players GM and not enough piss and vinegar, something like his team.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:45 pm

Arachnid wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Is this breaking news? Gillis not wanting to trade Edler? It's not rocket science here. Probably one of the few things I give Gillis thumbs up on. If you are trading Edler you best be upgrading the hole he leaves behind and I am sorry, Keith Ballard is not it. LMAO! You are talking like Yandle, Weber, Subban, Myers, if you are looking for an upgrade. If you are not replacing Edler with that what is the fucking point? Most trade proposals proposed by a lot of folks here in what we should get in return for Edler is a forward or a top pick in this years draft? How the fuck does that deal with the hole by trading Edler has created? That is unless everyone wants an anemic defense like the Oilers, and we have all seen how far that gets you. Defense is King in the new NHL people, I wouldn't call our defense so fucking good and deep that trading Edler and not replacing him is a fucking option here.

Edler ain't going nowhere.


I want to call you the pRikster but you totally agree with me so I will spare you my venom

Edler stays!


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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby black ace » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:50 am

Rumsfeld wrote:
black ace wrote:I would look at trading him if it returned a young top 6 center and a bottom pair defenceman. Move tanev up to a top 4 role with Hamhuis,Bieksa,Garrison.

Philly would be a good fit as they have a couple of young centers but they just picked up Streit so...

Im doubtfull Gillis would do that to a guy weeks away from his no trade kicking in though.


Great points Ace.

You know I had almost forgotten you won the BC Lions CC pool a few years ago. But then I saw your sig and I was like, "Oh yeah, black ace won the BC Lions CC pool like three years ago".

Pretty sweet man.

I bet that really rubs the salt in for the other seven people involved in that pool, wherever they are. Way to stick it to 'em buddy.


Me and 7 others ????? I think it was me and 3 others.

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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Arachnid » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:45 am

Rumsfeld wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Is this breaking news? Gillis not wanting to trade Edler? It's not rocket science here. Probably one of the few things I give Gillis thumbs up on. If you are trading Edler you best be upgrading the hole he leaves behind and I am sorry, Keith Ballard is not it. LMAO! You are talking like Yandle, Weber, Subban, Myers, if you are looking for an upgrade. If you are not replacing Edler with that what is the fucking point? Most trade proposals proposed by a lot of folks here in what we should get in return for Edler is a forward or a top pick in this years draft? How the fuck does that deal with the hole by trading Edler has created? That is unless everyone wants an anemic defense like the Oilers, and we have all seen how far that gets you. Defense is King in the new NHL people, I wouldn't call our defense so fucking good and deep that trading Edler and not replacing him is a fucking option here.

Edler ain't going nowhere.


I want to call you the pRikster but you totally agree with me so I will spare you my venom

Edler stays!


Yeah, real smart move Spidey. Just keep taking shots at rikster, the guy who singlehandedly defeated Thinker in open combat.

When it's all over don't expect any PMs from me telling you I miss you. :mex:

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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby coco_canuck » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:27 am

I'm not against trading Edler in the right deal but replacing his offensive production and puck moving ability from the blue-line will be extremely difficult, so the offensive piece coming back in return has to be significant.

Part of me wants to see how Edler will perform under a new coach next season but with his NTC kicking in soon things get complicated.

The reason D-men like Edler are in demand is because they're a rare commodity.

Today's NHL is largely about efficient puck movement out of your own end, so when you start losing those players you're putting yourself in a tough position.

It's no coincidence that the Canucks regressed once they lost Ehrhoff in summer of 2011 and let Rome go last summer.

Rome haters are about to have a conniption, but when you remove a very capable #7 who can even play spot duty in the top 4, you're using a valuable depth D who helps stabilize things. Rome wasn't perfect but he better than anything the Canucks had outside the top 5 Ds this season.

When Ehrhoff left, the Canucks 3rd D pair suffered a massive downgrade, and the blueline was further diminished by Rome's departure.

If we send Edler out for a forward, the Canucks D will regress for a 3rd off-season in a row.

Perhaps the Canucks problem with Edler is that they view him a potential franchise D-man and they've tried to put him in that type of a role. Maybe all he can be is a number 2 or even 3, but with his offensive production it still easily justifies a $5M annual salary.

If Edler does stay, he can't be the biggest minute eater on D. I would like to see Hamhuis & Garrison (not necessarily as a pair) soak up the toughest roles and place Edler in a more offensive position within the 20-21 minute range instead of 24 mins a game.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Reefer2 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:44 am

I disagree with some of your points Coco.

First Edler's point comes off playing the minutes he does and the 1st unit PP. Any D man taking over those minutes would probably have many of the same points. It is like many players who have success, it is not just based upon them alone but being in the right place at the right time.

What good is having any offensive D when your forwards cant keep the puck or cant score. Right now our offense if the problem and Edler is just 1 piece we have to trade to get the help this team needs.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby coco_canuck » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:03 am

Reefer2 wrote:First Edler's point comes off playing the minutes he does and the 1st unit PP. Any D man taking over those minutes would probably have many of the same points. It is like many players who have success, it is not just based upon them alone but being in the right place at the right time.


Uh no, that's just silly.

D-men don't score +10 goals per season just by getting first unit PP time.

Reefer2 wrote:What good is having any offensive D when your forwards cant keep the puck or cant score. Right now our offense if the problem and Edler is just 1 piece we have to trade to get the help this team needs.


Edler isn't Jack Johnson, he's miles better. Trading Edler for an offensive forward doesn't guarantee the Canucks score more or keep possession of the puck more. Despite his flaws and underwhelming play at times over the past year and half, Edler has been a positive contributor to the Canucks on the whole, so trading him would mean you have to find someone who will replace Edler's contributions plus add something extra to be worthwhile.

I'm not against making that type of a trade but is there really one like that available that doesn't come with uncertainty?

Good offensive teams generate their rush and offensive pressure from solid defensive breakouts and good D involvement in the neutral zone and on the points. When you take away a player who can excel in those areas, you're hurting your team's offense, so you better be able to find something that will make up for that.

As I said, since the Canucks already aren't as deep on D as they were in 2011, taking another step back could be a major recipe for disaster.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Vader » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:13 am

Reefer2 wrote:
What good is having any offensive D when your forwards cant keep the puck or cant score. Right now our offense if the problem and Edler is just 1 piece we have to trade to get the help this team needs.


Ultimately the problem is that there are no young players in the system that will replace what Edler brings. Trading Edler is robbing Peter to pay Paul
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Mondi » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:32 am

Getting swept out of the playoffs, losing 12 out of the last 14 playoff games, and not having a home playoff win in almost 2 calendar years is evidence enough that this team is not working.

Alex Edler has done precisely nothing in a big games for this team, along with a lot other core players.

As the Sedins decline and Edler, Bieksa, Kesler and Burrows seems to be in a holding pattern, if not trending down, the time is now to change the culture of the team.

Why get so attached to a soft, mistake prone defenseman? The team let Erhoff, arguably the better player, walk for nothing. Then the team held onto bad contracts (Booth, Ballard, and Luongo) and re-signed Edler instead. This is not to say Elder is a bad player, of course he's quite talented. But, is he what Vancouver needs at this time?

I remember the team kept hoping for Naslund and Bertuzzi to regain the magic, and it never happened. They waited about 12 to 18 months too long. I hope that mistake is not repeated with this core.

Sure, the Twins will likely come back and have a good year this coming season, and Kesler will probably be leaps and bounds better with an injury free summer. But, the team is clearly stale. So stale that a new coach alone will not be sufficient to purge the musky odor currently emanating from Roger's Arena.

An irrational attachment to guys who have been here a long time has been this team's downfall before. No reason to keep the core in tact when you study the result over the past 3 seasons.

Perhaps robbing Peter to pay Paul is the appropriate idiom given the circumstances.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby coco_canuck » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:41 am

Mondi wrote:I remember the team kept hoping for Naslund and Bertuzzi to regain the magic, and it never happened. They waited about 12 to 18 months too long. I hope that mistake is not repeated with this core.


Great comparison, except Edler is 27.

Naslund hit his prime at 28 and carried it for 3 seasons (the best three of his career) until he was 31.

Bertuzzi had his two best seasons from the age 27-28.

Mondi wrote:Sure, the Twins will likely come back and have a good year this coming season, and Kesler will probably be leaps and bounds better with an injury free summer. But, the team is clearly stale. So stale that a new coach alone will not be sufficient to purge the musty odor emanating from Roger's Arena.


I love flowery language that means sweet fuck all.

Mondi wrote:An irrational attachment to guys who have been here a long time has been this team's downfall before. No reason to keep the core in tact when you study the result over the past 3 seasons.


What's irrational about saying trading Edler for the sake of shaking things us isn't necessarily a good idea?

I have no issues with anyone being traded but it depends on who you're wanting to move and what you want in his place.
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby the Dogsalmon » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:04 am

maybe we can get rid of that godddamn "streets have no name" intro as well...after a decade it is lame...
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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:29 am

I pretty much never agree with the Dogsalmon but he's right. U2 has to go.

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Re: Should Gillis Trade Alexander Edler?

Postby Reefer2 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:34 am

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