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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Vader » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:05 am

Lancer wrote: BTW Jovo, Vigneault played that 'playoff' defensive trap style his first couple of years. How well did that work out?
Pretty well when you consider the personnel and the load of injuries....

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Puck » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:07 am

A good coach implements a style to maximize the effectiveness of the on-ice assets he has available to him. How else would Tippett have gotten the Coyotes through a couple rounds in the playoffs? If the coach is of any quality at all, he'll have more than one style to draw from.

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by sagebrush » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:09 am

The players' coach
Tippett gets players. He spends time with them.

As Jeff Angus noted (May28), Alain Vigneault made a conscious choice years ago to keep himself removed from the players. It was a style that worked for a long time.
a very no-nonsense kind of guy that isn't interested in making headlines.
The team has switched gears significantly from Gretzky to Tippett, which is most apparent in the Coyotes' draft selections over the past few years. Under Gretzky, offensively gifted players like Mikkel Boedker, Kyle Turris, and Viktor Tikhonov made the NHL roster immediately after being drafted, and in retrospect that stunted their development. With Tippett, the Coyotes have taken a much more conservative approach
In 2009-10, Phoenix were a 52% corsi team (and a 51 % fenclose). The year before, under Gretzky, they were awful, generating just 45.6% of the corsi events in a game (while posting a 44% fenclose). Since then, the Desert Dogs have been rather average, posting a 50.1% corsi and a decidedly middle-of-the-pack 49.7 % fenclose.

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Lancer » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:10 am

donlever wrote:Ray Ferraro claims that Tippet is a vibrant hockey mind who is as detailed as anyone in the league in preparation, playing styles and working with what he is given as well as noting that he would be perfectly capable of coaching an offensively minded scheme.
Sounds like buddy-pumping from an ex-NHLer. I don't know how much credence I'd give it, but I guess this Tippett ping-pong match has gotta end sometime.

Unlike some people I've seen around here regarding certain other Canucks brass, I wouldn't pray and sacrifice small animals to see the Canucks bomb so he can be fired if Tippett becomes the coach. If he gets hired I'd love nothing better than to be proven wrong with them playing a watchable form of hockey - and winning a Cup doing it.

I just don't see it happening, and hope someone else gets hired instead.
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Re: Coaches canned

Post by vic » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:20 am

Lancer wrote:
BTW Jovo, Vigneault played that 'playoff' defensive trap style his first couple of years. How well did that work out?
At least they won a playoff round in the first of those two years.

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by FAN » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:26 am

I'm a fan of Tippett and think he's one of the best coaches in the league. He's probably not a big change from AV, but I consider him a legitimate upgrade over AV.

Tippett does have his flaws. Like AV, he has a solid history of developing defensemen but a poor history of developing offensive forwards. But let's face it, Gillis has talked about the need to get young players into the NHL more quickly, but at the same time, Gillis doesn't believe in rushing prospects and developing them in the NHL. Tippett has no patience in one dimensional offensive players. Neither is Gillis a fan of one dimensional scorers. So to say that Tippett is not a good fit for the team that Mike Gillis built would be wrong.

If the choice is between Tippett and Torts, I hope Gillis goes with Tippett.

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by herb » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:29 am

A good coach works with what he’s got.

Tippett has had an underpowered team with mostly mediocre players and has had to rely more on intelligence and tactics rather than rely on the performance capabilities of his players to beat teams.

I have a very hard time believing a great coach like Dave Tippett has absolutely zero ability to coach an up tempo, “offensive” style of hockey.

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Aaronp18 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:36 am

I've said before that I wouldn't be a fan of Tippett as our head coach, but that is likely based on my limited knowledge of his coaching ability.

I see him as the trapping Coyotes coach, though there are differing opinions about his ability.

If he is, as some say, a great hockey mind with the ability to work with the players he has and determine the system and strategies to best utilize their strengths then he is exactly what the Canucks need.

I don't think they need a drill sergeant or dictator like Torts, as much as I'd love to see him blast the local media!

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Topper » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:45 am

Tippet appears AV-like in his public demeanour and coaching ability. The question is, can he get his message through?

Taking over from the disaster of gretz helps his resume.
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Re: Coaches canned

Post by SKYO » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:59 am

donlever wrote:...well I am certainly not going to go back and forth on this with you or anyone else but rather was just pointing out that Tippet has shown an affinity for the offensive game and suggestions otherwise are a misnomer.

Ray Ferraro claims that Tippet is a vibrant hockey mind who is as detailed as anyone in the league in preparation, playing styles and working with what he is given as well as noting that he would be perfectly capable of coaching an offensively minded scheme.
Yup and I'm sure the Canucks management agrees, he's probably the best coach we can get in the market if he were to become available.

It's kinda like hoping we get that rising star snot Justin Schultz, but instead getting Garrison who eventually wound up being a rock solid all round, in his prime dman.

It'll be the same as hoping for Eakins but getting in his prime coach Tippett. :D
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Re: Coaches canned

Post by sagebrush » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:11 am

Topper wrote:Tippet appears AV-like in his public demeanour and coaching ability...
Tippett doesn't giggle much.

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by donlever » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:14 am

Lancer wrote:
Sounds like buddy-pumping from an ex-NHLer. I don't know how much credence I'd give it, but I guess this Tippett ping-pong match has gotta end sometime.
Yes well that would certainly be the glass is half full theory and if it were Aaron Ward or Mike Johnson I might agree.

But I think Ferraro makes the effort to do an honest, decent job (as far as ex-players go) in his analysis and would be doing himself and his employers a disservice (hello Darin Dreger) if this is indeed the case.

lol

Why am I even talking about this?

They can hire Tortorella for all I fukin care.

Carry on.
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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Lancer » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:20 am

donlever wrote:Why am I even talking about this?

They can hire Tortorella for all I fukin care.

Carry on.
Yeah, and here I'd thought you'd stopped watching... :lol:
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Re: Coaches canned

Post by rikster » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:26 am

Arachnid wrote:
Rumsfeld wrote:You know what Spidey, that's seriously not cool. Cut rikster some slack bro.
In 90 posts he has not said one god damn relevant thing and then he has the nerve to tell us to take care...

Take Care of what? Business? Hockey? Petunias? Aunt May? Prostrate?
Since you asked....A long, long time ago I wrote a post which contained a swear word... A fellow poster chastised me for my language while informing me that he was sitting at his desk with his grandson reading the message board when they came across my post and that he didn't appreciate my language...

Embarrased, I thought about it and realized that he was right...Why speak any differently to a person on a computer than you would if you were speaking to them face to face?...

When I say goodbye to somebody in person, I often say "take care", I don't see any reason to change when giving my opinions on a message board....

Relevant......hmmmmm...

While you think its retarded to suggest that the Canucks aren't looking for a number of coaches to fill their numerous vacancies while interviewing a long list of candidates, I think its naive and retarded to think otherwise....

The fact that the local media are now suggesting that some of the candidates being interviewed will eventually find work as assistants in Vancouver or coaches on the farm makes it relevant....

Speaking of relevant, I can't say I know who you are and I can't comment on your hockey knowledge because from the little time I've spent reading some of your posts I found you don't really say anything that has much value to the topics being discussed....

I appreciate Rumsfield having my back on this one, but don't worry about me getting hurt feelings or being intimidated, I never shy from a good debate....

Bullies like you remind me of the time another bully who went by the handle "The Thinker" left this board for that other Canuck board....

We had had our battles and when I PM'd him to let him know I would miss him, he replied that I was the reason he was leaving.....Seems he was better at giving than he was taking...

Speaking of that other Canuck board, I moved on when many of its posters found a new home here...I'm not much of a fan of the style of posting that goes on here now so I took my act elsewhere....

I came back after reading some of Hockey Widows posts, I don't dispute that she has some source(s) but I would suggest that those sources have agendas ....

At the end of the day, I like to talk hockey and I especially like to talk hockey with fans I don't agree with...

Agree, disagree, ignore, whatever, just try to keep it to hockey and ditch the name calling and bullying....I does nothing more than cause some to wonder where and what you were doing on the night of June 15th, 2011....

Later...

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Re: Coaches canned

Post by Aaronp18 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:30 am

rikster wrote: Agree, disagree, ignore, whatever, just try to keep it to hockey and ditch the name calling and bullying....I does nothing more than cause some to wonder where and what you were doing on the night of June 15th, 2011....
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