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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby rats19 » Thu May 09, 2013 3:51 pm

personally, I have always liked the run n gun hockey..fast more scoring chances along with mistakes which opens it up and the other end which leads to more chances which lead to faster quicker fun to watch hockey.....*takes deep breath*

clutch and grab..dead puck era..hockey is barely watchable

but either way the reffing has to be fixed....for crying out loud its horribly disgusting..disfigured if you will
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Aaronp18 » Thu May 09, 2013 3:58 pm

What ever happened to the "Competition Committee?"

Wasn't that the name of the group of players/executives that formed a group to review the status of NHL hockey and the rules?

Y'know so that we didn't head back towards the clutch and grab dead puck era.

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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Tiger » Thu May 09, 2013 4:04 pm

Just came in from the backyard.. illegally burning trash including my Sedin sweater. NO MORE SWEDES please :)
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu May 09, 2013 4:07 pm

Not one of the other series this playoffs has shown the propensity yet to call the game the way our refs did. What were deemed penalties in our series are things that are not called in the others. Reffing is bad but after this series I have no doubt that there exists a bias against the Canucks by a some of officials. A change I would like to see is that when a back ref calls a penalty they must discuss it with the ref who had the better angle to confirm it. It would slow the game down initially but it may make the refs more accountable to each other.

I would also like a committee not controlled by the NHL to hold ref reviews at the end of each season.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Cornuck » Thu May 09, 2013 4:16 pm

I hope that with whatever changes are made, the mindset on this team is changed from trying to set up the perfect, easy shot. Quit passing, fire the puck and charge the net. The other system isn't working and hasn't worked for a couple of years.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby okcanuck » Thu May 09, 2013 4:21 pm

Once again HW you are right on target. I dont think it would delay the game that much. That call by Sutherland in overtime was assinine. Do they not look at any history between certain refs and certain teams. Sutherland should never ref another Canucks game or any games for that matter.I think he should be fired.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Arachnid » Thu May 09, 2013 4:55 pm

okcanuck wrote:Once again HW you are right on target. I dont think it would delay the game that much. That call by Sutherland in overtime was assinine. Do they not look at any history between certain refs and certain teams. Sutherland should never ref another Canucks game or any games for that matter.I think he should be fired.


Or maybe we should take a good hard look at us and get rid of the personnel that have issues with certain refs. This is not a fight we can win.

Chop AV, Kesler, Burrows and Lapierre from the roster and go from there, gives us somewhat of a fresh start.....let them be someone else's problem, I'm tired of the whining (from players and fans).

Deal with it.

I'd rather have tough as nails forwards that let their play do the talking.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Cornuck » Thu May 09, 2013 5:11 pm

mathonwy wrote:Not sure where to put this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck- ... 11848.html


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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Southern_Canuck » Thu May 09, 2013 5:13 pm

Spock wrote:STEP ONE: FIRE ALAIN VIGNAULT


Yeah, even though I have always liked Vigneault's chutzpah and ability to laugh at circumstances (the Cooke whiff, Angry Bieksa, etc) - I agree that it is time for a change.

Spock wrote:STEP TWO: PICK A GOALIE - ANY GOALIE - AND TRADE THE OTHER


Agree - and it should be Luongo to go... perhaps Pittsburgh? Winnipeg? Philadelphia? Tampa? Florida? Even Edmonton?

Spock wrote:STEP THREE: STOCKPILE SOME YOUNG TALENT


Trading Edler would be bold - but weakens the team IMO... I'm not sure the Canucks are in full-on rebuild territory. But getting young talent should always be a priority - it is too bad that Luongo's contract and "stigma" has limited his effective worth... theoretically, he should have brought young players and draft picks.

Spock wrote:STEP FOUR: SIGN MORE A$$HOLES


Did you get together with Blob and Strangelove for this one? I'm not sure about "assholes" (aren't Sean Avery and Matt Cooke assholes? Don't want that type), but I agree about successful "crease-crashers".

Way back when, I wrote about Canucks v6.1 - basically criticizing filling 1/3 of your top six with the Sedins. They basically proved me wrong by winning Art Ross and President's Trophies, but really, I would rather root for a team of healthy Keslers than soft, non-hitting players.

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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Thu May 09, 2013 7:10 pm

Arachnid wrote:
Or maybe we should take a good hard look at us and get rid of the personnel that have issues with certain refs. This is not a fight we can win.

Chop AV, Kesler, Burrows and Lapierre from the roster and go from there, gives us somewhat of a fresh start.....let them be someone else's problem, I'm tired of the whining (from players and fans).

Deal with it.

I'd rather have tough as nails forwards that let their play do the talking.


Winner winner chicken dinner. Get rid of the three asswipes and the coach who encouraged Kesler and Burrows to play like that. Cant remember them acting up like that when Crawford was here, but then again he employed pricks like Ruutu and Cooke so...

Either way cleansing this team of Burrows and Kesler is the way to go. They have value and this fan for one has seen enough of their antics.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby RoyalDude » Thu May 09, 2013 7:22 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
Or maybe we should take a good hard look at us and get rid of the personnel that have issues with certain refs. This is not a fight we can win.

Chop AV, Kesler, Burrows and Lapierre from the roster and go from there, gives us somewhat of a fresh start.....let them be someone else's problem, I'm tired of the whining (from players and fans).

Deal with it.

I'd rather have tough as nails forwards that let their play do the talking.


Winner winner chicken dinner. Get rid of the three asswipes and the coach who encouraged Kesler and Burrows to play like that. Cant remeber them acting up like that when Crawford was here, but then again he employed pricks like Ruutu and Cooke so...

Either way cleansing this team of Burrows and Kesler is the way to go. They have value and this fan for one has seen enough of their antics.


I agree with this completely. Lappy, Kes and Burrows need to go. Tired of this team being hated by everyone all for the wrong reasons.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Arachnid » Thu May 09, 2013 7:39 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Arachnid wrote:
Or maybe we should take a good hard look at us and get rid of the personnel that have issues with certain refs. This is not a fight we can win.

Chop AV, Kesler, Burrows and Lapierre from the roster and go from there, gives us somewhat of a fresh start.....let them be someone else's problem, I'm tired of the whining (from players and fans).

Deal with it.

I'd rather have tough as nails forwards that let their play do the talking.


Winner winner chicken dinner. Get rid of the three asswipes and the coach who encouraged Kesler and Burrows to play like that. Cant remeber them acting up like that when Crawford was here, but then again he employed pricks like Ruutu and Cooke so...

Either way cleansing this team of Burrows and Kesler is the way to go. They have value and this fan for one has seen enough of their antics.


I agree with this completely. Lappy, Kes and Burrows need to go. Tired of this team being hated by everyone all for the wrong reasons.


Then again Cooke, went on to win a Cup acting like a fucktard :crazy:

I just want players like Jackman or Doan. Guys who are tough, work hard and never bitch.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby Lancer » Thu May 09, 2013 8:18 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:Not one of the other series this playoffs has shown the propensity yet to call the game the way our refs did. What were deemed penalties in our series are things that are not called in the others. Reffing is bad but after this series I have no doubt that there exists a bias against the Canucks by a some of officials. A change I would like to see is that when a back ref calls a penalty they must discuss it with the ref who had the better angle to confirm it. It would slow the game down initially but it may make the refs more accountable to each other.

I would also like a committee not controlled by the NHL to hold ref reviews at the end of each season.


Or...

How about player safety and officiating not falling under a league mandate? How can the integrity of this game be taken seriously when it is guarded by a cabal of scheisters and money-grubbers who are headed by a man who will do anything to achieve his impossible vision of NBA on ice? Integrity and profit are like oil and water, and the fruits are seen every season. Integrity survives in the NHL despite the league, not because of it.

How about player safety (and, consequently suspensions) and officiating (including sanctions for incompetence/unprofessionalism by officials) falling under the mandate of the IIHF? Yes, there are differences in rules between the European leagues and the NHL, but the NHL can just supply the IIHF with their rulebook and leave it to the IIHF and its refs to interpret it. The IIHF has no stake in who wins and 'managing' games, and so can be at least seen as impartial.

It's either that or have them fall under the Ministry of Sport and have them fall under federal bureaucrats and politicians... still a better idea than the status quo but not by much.
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Re: So where to we go from here?

Postby okcanuck » Thu May 09, 2013 9:16 pm

Arachnid wrote:
okcanuck wrote:Once again HW you are right on target. I dont think it would delay the game that much. That call by Sutherland in overtime was assinine. Do they not look at any history between certain refs and certain teams. Sutherland should never ref another Canucks game or any games for that matter.I think he should be fired.


Or maybe we should take a good hard look at us and get rid of the personnel that have issues with certain refs. This is not a fight we can win.

Chop AV, Kesler, Burrows and Lapierre from the roster and go from there, gives us somewhat of a fresh start.....let them be someone else's problem, I'm tired of the whining (from players and fans).

Deal with it.

I'd rather have tough as nails forwards that let their play do the talking.



Why should we bow to what is obviously a personal vendetta by a certain ref(Kelly Sutherland)?

I've been posting about this moron for years . He is a complete incompetent and has been his whole career. People here in Kelowna still talk about Sutherland when he was reffing in the WHL It was actually shocking when he ended up in the NHL, thats how bad he was.

I'm not saying we lost only because of the refs, but you must admit a lot of the calls in that series were very suspect, and listening to Buttmans interview explaining that the refs did their job properly made me almost puke. Its obvious to me that Buttman has no idea what hes talking about. Christ even the San Jose commentators were shocked that Sutherland made that call.

I've been following the NHL since the late fifties and I've never seen such poor reffing,and I'm not just talking about Canucks games . Its shocking how much it has regressed and it has the potential of bringing the credibility of the NHL to its lowest level ever.

No,HW has it right . There needs to an independent inquiry into the whole refereeing system in the NHL.
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