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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby ukcanuck » Wed May 08, 2013 5:40 pm

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tantalum wrote:The deal was an excellent one. Sure we'd like to say that based on his lack of contribution that it wasn't good but I don't think anyone can really complain about it.

Roy certainly didn't earn himself that multi-year $5 mil deal he was looking for IMO. that said he'll likely get it from someone. i actually wouldn't be adverse to the canucks re-signing him if they have a coaching staff that wants to play that offense first game.

AV misused him I think. Tossed him around the lineup with multiple wingers. Put him on the wing. At center etc. Never had a chance to get comfortable.


The deal was an excellent one? Don't know how you can call the Roy rental an excellent deal, but hey that is just me.

So again, we are blaming the coaching staff on his poor play?

Why would it be smart signing Roy. You have a very similar player in Schroeder, who just needs a little more experience but is real close, same size but a helluva lot cheaper and Schroeder is definitely has the better wheels.

Let someone else waste $5 million on him. I don't get how Roy himself thinks he's worth that? 1 goal in 32 playoff games? 5 goals in the regular season this year?

I know I wouldn't give him that kind of contract.
and yeah Schroeder deserves a shot but don't we want size and attitude for a third centre?
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby RoyalDude » Wed May 08, 2013 5:49 pm

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tantalum wrote:The deal was an excellent one. Sure we'd like to say that based on his lack of contribution that it wasn't good but I don't think anyone can really complain about it.

Roy certainly didn't earn himself that multi-year $5 mil deal he was looking for IMO. that said he'll likely get it from someone. i actually wouldn't be adverse to the canucks re-signing him if they have a coaching staff that wants to play that offense first game.

AV misused him I think. Tossed him around the lineup with multiple wingers. Put him on the wing. At center etc. Never had a chance to get comfortable.


The deal was an excellent one? Don't know how you can call the Roy rental an excellent deal, but hey that is just me.

So again, we are blaming the coaching staff on his poor play?

Why would it be smart signing Roy. You have a very similar player in Schroeder, who just needs a little more experience but is real close, same size but a helluva lot cheaper and Schroeder is definitely has the better wheels.

Let someone else waste $5 million on him. I don't get how Roy himself thinks he's worth that? 1 goal in 32 playoff games? 5 goals in the regular season this year?

I know I wouldn't give him that kind of contract.
and yeah Schroeder deserves a shot but don't we want size and attitude for a third centre?


I think we have to get bigger, faster, younger, like Mike says. I'm just saying that Schroeder is a way better option than Roy.

The whole Roy trade is just another indication for me that Gillis does not have his finger on the pulse of this team. I'm not saying that Doug Wilson is a genius in San Jose, he's had his struggles but those 3 moves he made at the deadline are what I call "A GM who knows his team". I mean, he didn't even get players back for Murray or Clowe, just draft picks. Just getting those undisciplined slugs out of the line up did them nothing but good. They were way faster and way more disciplined than I am used to seeing the Sharks, and they loaded up on draft picks as well. Maybe a simple house cleaning like what Wilson did is all this team needs.

I know we needed another centre, but trading for a centre who is the same bloody size as fellow centre here Schroeder whom I bet would have shown a lot better than Roy did in the playoffs. Jordan is way faster plus when we are struggling to score especially in the playoffs, did Gillis even do his fucking homework regarding Roy's amazing playoff stats? 1 goal in 32 games? Shit, didn't the 4 goals he scored for Dallas this year prior to coming here not tell a GM something. The trade was a big waste of time and to me a true indication that Gillis has no idea where his team is at and I really worry about the future deals he is going to make cause with his track record I just don't see good things to come out of him.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby Lancer » Wed May 08, 2013 6:07 pm

I understand why Gillis got Roy. It seemed like a sound decision considering the market. Can you imagine what the price would have been for the kind of centre they really needed? Roy was likely the best he could get without selling the farm.

Roy was a flop in Canuck colours. :bang:

Moving forward, let Roy get what he can get on the market and bid him adieu. We've seen what Roy brings, and I'd rather roll the dice to see if Schroeder can be any better in time.

Hopefully we'll see what Gaunce, Lain and others can bring to the table because if nothing else, they need size down the middle and they're the best they have in the system.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby tantalum » Wed May 08, 2013 6:21 pm

Let me explain....

it was a good deal because he was a center with a decent pedigree playing at a good level and they needed a center. The cost IMO isn't a big deal even for a rental. Stayed away from a first round pick and a second can be re-generated much easier.

I wasn't advocating signing him to $5 mil a year. I agree if he truly wants that (and he will get it) it won't be from the canucks. However, if it's for 4 or below one might consider it.

Personally, I take a look at how well Schroeder played down the stretch in the AHL (3G 11A for 14pts in 12 games), that you slot him in to the third line center position at this point in time (who knows what might get returned in deals that changes such a plan). He made strides this year. He performed reasonably well for a rookie in the NHL and when sent to the AHL it seemed the AHL game had slowed down for him. We forget sometimes he is only 22 years old. His performance this year I think puts him "back on track" in terms of development. That said I don't believe he will be much more than a third line center but you never know. Kesler at that age couldn't do anything offensively (yes yes different type of player of course).
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby Zamboni Driver » Wed May 08, 2013 10:17 pm

tantalum wrote:Let me explain....

it was a good deal because he was a center with a decent pedigree playing at a good level and they needed a center.


See, that's the problem right there, the deadline deal isn't supposed to be fixing the huge holes in your team, it's supposed to provide playoff depth for an already complete team. Trying to integrate a key player with a dozen games left isn't enough time.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby FAN » Wed May 08, 2013 10:25 pm

RoyalDude wrote:The whole Roy trade is just another indication for me that Gillis does not have his finger on the pulse of this team.
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I know we needed another centre, but trading for a centre who is the same bloody size as fellow centre here Schroeder whom I bet would have shown a lot better than Roy did in the playoffs.

I don't think the Roy trade indicates anything other than the team needed center depth and Roy was the best available for the price Gillis was willing to pay. No matter how you look at it, Roy was a depth acquisition and as it turned out that was all it was.

The Roy deal just made sense and was an easy one to make. Kesler's health was a question mark at the time and he really wasn't at his best when the playoffs started. If Kesler wasn't ready to go, you were looking at maybe Raymond playing center or Ebbett centering a line. Schroeder, as it turns out, wasn't healthy when playoffs came around. I can't think of any big centers that got moved except for Handzus.

So no, I don't think trading for Roy was an indication that Gillis doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the team. Gillis' failure comes from his inability to bolster the forward corps in the offseason. Remember Gillis did go after Shane Doan. Good or bad signing nonwithstanding, Doan could have been a difference maker here and Luongo to Toronto would have likely netted Bozak in return. So ya, I think Gillis had the right idea on what the team needed, he just failed in getting it.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby tantalum » Thu May 09, 2013 9:03 am

Zamboni Driver wrote:
tantalum wrote:Let me explain....

it was a good deal because he was a center with a decent pedigree playing at a good level and they needed a center.


See, that's the problem right there, the deadline deal isn't supposed to be fixing the huge holes in your team, it's supposed to provide playoff depth for an already complete team. Trying to integrate a key player with a dozen games left isn't enough time.


Yes and no. A big time deal involving prime assets absolutely you need to be sure it's a "put you over the top" type of deal. But for middling assets like a late second round pick and D-man getting buried in the depth chart I will never mind the move. Especially if there is a chance that if things work out and that player ends up sticking around (like other Gillis deadline moves for pending UFAs). This one didn't work out, no doubt. But it doesn't make it a "bad" move IMO.

Other players seem to be integrated fine in a dozen games (Higgins and Lapierre for instance). For some it isn't enough time.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby herb » Thu May 09, 2013 9:35 am

They key at the time of the Roy deal was that Kesler wasn't healthy, and centre ice had been an absolute black hole for this team all year.

The fact that the team as a whole imploded in the playoffs isn't an indictment of Roy. He was a rental, we all knew he was only a rental, and we didn't give up much to get him. Let's move on.

I think Jordan Schroeder is the least of our worries. I think he acquitted himself quite well this season, and is back on track developmental wise after some less than encouraging play at the AHL level.

With the Wolves this year, he was on a 22 goal, 60 point (over 76 games) pace, after scoring 21 goals last year. If anything, his play with the Canucks was encouraging.

This team's biggest concern is finding a borderline superstar winger to play with Ryan Kesler. This is what this team really needs. No more bargain bin Taylor Pyatt, Steve Bernier, David Booth or prospects like Kassian. This team needs a James Neal or Jamie Benn. Now that is not an easy task for Gillis.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby Topper » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:25 am

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I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby black ace » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:22 pm

He might not have been the best fit for what we needed (re size and strength) but as many people have said the deadline is the worst time to fill holes on your team.

We needed a center and he was probably the best one available.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby Rumsfeld » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:14 pm

Move Kesler to the third line, re-sign Roy for 5 mill a year, put Schroeder on his wing with Higgins.

It's not like we're gonna win anything this year anyway. Watch Royaldude have a stroke and wait for the #1 overall pick in '14.

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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby SKYO » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:49 pm

Forgot we still have his rights!

seen on hf someone suggesting we trade Roy's rights, wonder if anyone would even offer a 7th rounder for him lol.
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Re: Canucks Acquire Derek Roy

Postby Hockey Widow » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:16 pm

The problem wasn't getting Roy. The problem started when Manny hurt his eye and MG felt that he was never going to recover and had 1.5 years to deal with it. The problem was when Kesler had double off season surgery and MG knew he wouldn't be ready until late in the year and had the off season, before the lockout, to deal with it.

The problem was coming out of the lock out with two centres, Hank and Lappy. The problem was hoping that by committee we could fill the centre lines needs until Kesler got back. By that time we sat Manny and everyone knew our desperation.

The problem was MG wanted a home run for Luongo, most of us did, most of us felt the same way MG did in that Luongo was tradable and could get us a good return. Hind sight is 20-20 but if he could do it again knowing what he knows now I bet he lets Luongo go for a trade involving a 2nd or 3rd line centre and a pick of prospect, oh a a back up goalie.

We all wanted the world for Luongo but where MG failed is that he is not a fan he is the GM and should have traded Luongo to fill positional needs. The fact that he was desperate for a centre at the deadline day was the problem. It is not the time to fill positional needs but the time to either sell off and re-tool or a time to create depth on an already strong team. I supported the Roy deal because I was desperate to see another centre on this team. But I'm not the GM.
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