Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Meds » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:18 pm

Fucking Vigneault and his favorites.

Everyone north of Barker on the depth chart is a better option on the 4th line than Andrew Ebbett. This is the playoffs. Time to start being VERY physical. Ebbett can't do that. He has been completely pushed around by physical teams all year. Ballard might not be a PK'er. But who cares. We have Kesler, Higgins, Burrows, Hansen, Raymond, Lapierre, and even Roy. Right there are 7 forwards who can kill penalties.

But of course, Ebbett works SO hard in practice and tries so hard to do everything he can. He's small. Those are the genetics of it. Move on.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby herb » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:24 pm

^ I generally agree.

Ebbett gives AV the option of putting Roy and Kesler together, and he does kill penalties. Aside from that, he doesn't provide a whole lot. He's isn't great in the faceoff circle and has zero physicality. I think he's a good spare part to have around, but considering we are relatively healthy, I think there are better options.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby tantalum » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:26 pm

In defense of AV....Ebbett gives him another center if he needs to play with the lines by, say, loading up the second line with Roy and Kesler.

If Booth and Schroeder weren't hurt I don't think we see Ebbett at all. But they are so we do. I don't know is Sestito would be any better to be honest. Ideally you want Weise as the 13th forward and Ebbett/Sestito as the 14/15 guys.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Meds » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:41 pm

tantalum wrote:In defense of AV....Ebbett gives him another center if he needs to play with the lines by, say, loading up the second line with Roy and Kesler.

If Booth and Schroeder weren't hurt I don't think we see Ebbett at all. But they are so we do. I don't know is Sestito would be any better to be honest. Ideally you want Weise as the 13th forward and Ebbett/Sestito as the 14/15 guys.


At least Sestito can hit and fight. Something this team needs to have in the lineup against a team like SJ who like to push the Sedins and our other smaller forwards around.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby tantalum » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:51 pm

Sharks no longer have Clowe, Murray or McGinn who were the biggest pains on that front. Their leading PIM guy had 61 minutes (Dejardins). Havlat is second. They aren't the same borderline excessively rough team as they have been in years past. Of course it is precisely that change that may make them a more effective team...they spent far too much time attempting to intimidate with physical play they got in penalty trouble or lost focus on what was most important. They will be physical but I don't see them being more physical than every other playoff team.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Tciso » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:05 pm

herb wrote:Schneider is taking the full team practice today (not a huge surprise, but good to see none the less).

Tanev still has a walking boot on.

Lines today in practice are (I'm assuming this is pretty indicative of the game 1 lineup):

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Roy-Hansen
Higgins-Kesler-Kassian
Ebbett-Lapierre-Weise
Sestito-etc-etc-etc

Hamhuis-Garrison
Edler-Bieksa
Alberts-Corrado

Barker-Ballard

People will bitch about Ballard being the odd guy out...my only comment is I'd rather Ballard play over Ebbett. This would be the second time in his Vancouver Canucks career that a healthy Ballard would sit in lieu of a rookie.


I agree. On the 4th line, Ballard for sure, due to his size and toughness.. Especially with Corrado n Alberts. Ballard is cheap (*cough*) insurance if one of them Luongo's the bed. If it was the 3rd line, Ebbett has some skill, and fits better up the lineup. But, he makes our 4th line pretty small, and crappy.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby ESQ » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:28 pm

I've never really bought this idea that the Canucks over-expended themselves pushing for the second President's Trophy. The players said all along that it didn't really matter to them, and I believe them.

This year the Canucks have almost thrown games for the past few weeks by the lineup they've been icing. Were it the playoffs all of those guys would likely have played. I think this is going to make a bigger difference than whether or not they were "going for" the PT.

I'm only worried if the depleted lineup we've seen the past few weeks really is the best the Canucks can ice. If our suspicions about the seriousness of the "body injuries" are correct, I think the Canucks can go deep.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:29 pm

ESQ wrote:I've never really bought this idea that the Canucks over-expended themselves pushing for the second President's Trophy. The players said all along that it didn't really matter to them, and I believe them.


They didn't really win it anyways. The Rangers lost it.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby rats19 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:37 pm

the rangers may have lost it..but as a result we won it....:)

Nucks in 6 guys and gals...book it :mex:

we will see more of the hawk game canucks than not, it wont be full tilt for at least a few games maybe not even till 2nd round when some of that swagger returns...
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:51 pm

rats19 wrote:the rangers may have lost it..but as a result we won it....:)

Nucks in 6 guys and gals...book it :mex:


It will be in six... but it won't be us.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Arachnid » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:54 pm

Eddy Punch Clock wrote:
rats19 wrote:the rangers may have lost it..but as a result we won it....:)

Nucks in 6 guys and gals...book it :mex:


It will be in six... but it won't be us.


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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:57 pm

Arachnid wrote:
Eddy Punch Clock wrote:
rats19 wrote:the rangers may have lost it..but as a result we won it....:)

Nucks in 6 guys and gals...book it :mex:


It will be in six... but it won't be us.


Oh Fuck Off :evil:


I'm really not feeling it this year my man.

Would love to be proven wrong though.
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby rats19 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:03 pm

its been said 1000 times.. depends on who shows up....if the hawk game canucks show up...we will be hard to beat period..by anybody..if the other canuck team shows up we will be lucky to advance past the 1st round. I however, believe that our swagger will increase 1/16 per win.. until the final win where we bring home lord stanley.

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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby herb » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:19 pm

We will certainly see. At times this group has looked stinky and stale, but has been noted they have been great this year against LA and Chicago.

For me this is the last hurrah with the 2011 group. If we don't win the Cup, or at least advance to the Conference Finals, there should be major changes including with the coaching staff and core players. It looks like a retool and reset may be required, but again, we'll see which group shows up.

I am cautiously optimistic. I'd feel better if Schneider, Tanev and Booth were ready and raring to go, but we have a relatively deep group, and are as good if not better than San Jose in most areas. We are capable of so much more offensively than we have displayed over this shortened season, and I'm looking for breakout playoff performances from a few players (Hansen, Garrison, Kassian..all the guys who end in 'n's' I guess).
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Re: Canucks Vs Sharks, Round I

Postby Canuck-One » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:32 pm

Looking forward to these next few games should be a lot of fun. I am really pleased not to have to listen to any CBC jerks. I am so fed up with Cherry and his monkey that I mute it every time they appear. TSN has better coverage and I too like Cuthbert and Ferraro. Ferraro has a good grasp on what is happening and Cuthbert calls a non-biased game. Compare that to the anybody but the Canucks crap that pours out of the CBC.

I'm in the camp that would have preferred to see Sestito start the first game. It has become a common event, in the playoffs in particular, to run the Sedins with intent to injure. The only way to stop that is to run their skill guys the very first time San Jose attempts it. The only way we win that war is with size and muscle in the line up. I am also surprised to see Higgins with Kelser and Kassian instead of Roy and Hansen. When Kesler had his monster playoffs wasn't Raymond his winger?

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Raymond-Kesler-Kassian
Higgins-Roy-Hansen
Sestito-Lapierre-Weise

Hamhuis - Garrison
Edler - Bieksa
Alberts - Corrado

That would be my starting line up. If we had a center go down you double up someone else until the game is over. If it's the PK, we have Burrows, Raymond, Kesler, Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre and Weisse who have done it this year, you don't need Ebbett. Ebbett should only come into play if there is an injury. As for goal we have two tremendous goalies who are both capable of winning it for us. I think it will be tougher than some predict but I'm going for Canucks in 7.
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