Canucks News and Notes

Welcome to the main forum of our site. Anything and everything to do with the Vancouver Canucks is dicussed and debated here.

Moderator: Referees

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Uncle dans leg » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:43 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
No, I do, big fan, a little concerned about his scoring touch. I think Gillis really needs to shore up our lack of goalscoring which is a massive sore spot with this club right now, it's our Achilles heel right now, has been since halfway through last season. Clowe will not provide much in that department, however the guy is tough as nails. We'd have to be parting with some wingers though, too much of that, but doesn't make sense to remove Raymonds scoring touch this year and nose for creating offense for Clowe's complete lack of scoring this year.

I think this year is just one of those blips for a top level power forward. Apparently he's lined up with Gomez ffs which will ruin anybodys scoring touch. He brings so much more to a team like VCR than simple goal production. He's the perfect playoff linemate fore the Sedins when the Dustin Browns come around cheap shotting...
nobody forks with...the jesus
User avatar
Uncle dans leg
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 1996
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:19 pm
Location: Lethbridge AB

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:34 pm

Imagine a line in the playoffs with Clowe on one wing and Kassian on the other.....I mean if they were firing on all cylinders and bringing their A games.

Poor opposing dmen on the dump-ins.
User avatar
Meds
CC Legend
 
Posts: 3473
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:50 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Uncle dans leg » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:39 pm

Meds wrote:Imagine a line in the playoffs with Clowe on one wing and Kassian on the other.....I mean if they were firing on all cylinders and bringing their A games.

Poor opposing dmen on the dump-ins.

That's how series are won....look how Boston and LA did that to our defense. Would be nice to pay it forward as well as take all the after whistle BS away from the Sedins/Kesler. In a deep run, that plays a huge part
nobody forks with...the jesus
User avatar
Uncle dans leg
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 1996
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:19 pm
Location: Lethbridge AB

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:45 pm

I like Clowe but it doesn't solve our scoring woes, which is our biggest issue. Don Cherry hockey works if you can actually score, if you can't score you just have a bunch of guys running around like Hordichuk and Eager being completely useless..
"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate
User avatar
RoyalDude
CC Legend
 
Posts: 4609
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:36 pm
Location: Vancouver

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Meds » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:54 pm

RoyalDude wrote:I like Clowe but it doesn't solve our scoring woes, which is our biggest issue. Don Cherry hockey works if you can actually score, if you can't score you just have a bunch of guys running around like Hordichuk and Eager being completely useless..


That's true.

Guys like Clowe have often been rendered useless in Vigneault's "skill and finesse attack". Net crashers are only effective if both wingers are attacking the net on the shot and going for rebounds. Vigneault's system only has one guy at the net and one in the corner and one on the wall. Clowe would be out matched all by himself against 3 defenders in front. Just like Burrows, Kesler, Kassian, and Hansen often are.
User avatar
Meds
CC Legend
 
Posts: 3473
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:50 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Uncle dans leg » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:23 pm

Meds wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:I like Clowe but it doesn't solve our scoring woes, which is our biggest issue. Don Cherry hockey works if you can actually score, if you can't score you just have a bunch of guys running around like Hordichuk and Eager being completely useless..


That's true.

Guys like Clowe have often been rendered useless in Vigneault's "skill and finesse attack". Net crashers are only effective if both wingers are attacking the net on the shot and going for rebounds. Vigneault's system only has one guy at the net and one in the corner and one on the wall. Clowe would be out matched all by himself against 3 defenders in front. Just like Burrows, Kesler, Kassian, and Hansen often are.

Who's blonde, uber-intelligent and goes to the net like clockwork? :wink:
Netcrash 101 for beginners
nobody forks with...the jesus
User avatar
Uncle dans leg
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 1996
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:19 pm
Location: Lethbridge AB

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The_Pauser » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:16 pm

Hearing Higgins will be re-upping for $10M/4 years, limited NTC. Deal should be made official tomorrow.
The_Pauser
CC 2nd Team All-Star
 
Posts: 338
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Surrey, BC

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Hockey Widow » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:29 pm

The_Pauser wrote:Hearing Higgins will be re-upping for $10M/4 years, limited NTC. Deal should be made official tomorrow.



Hope this is true, a very good deal for the Canucks, and for Higgins.
The only HW the Canucks need
User avatar
Hockey Widow
CC Legend
 
Posts: 4281
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Zamboni Driver » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:17 am

The_Pauser wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
Eddy Punch Clock wrote:Two days before the trade deadline, soon to be UFA Mason Raymond not at morning skate.

dun dun dun dunnnnnn.....


UFA for UFA - Raymond for Bozak??? A trade of necessity.


Bozak is garbage. I'd rather trade Raymond for Clowe.


A center with 10 goals and a 53% FO rating? Where's the garbage in that?
How many goals does Clowe have again?
How many centers do we have now with >50% FO?
User avatar
Zamboni Driver
CC 2nd Team All-Star
 
Posts: 451
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:24 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:55 am

Pauser has an irrational hatred for Tyler Bozak because he's used to hearing about him in the context of a potential Luongo return.
dbr
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 2573
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:37 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The_Pauser » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:23 am

dbr wrote:Pauser has an irrational hatred for Tyler Bozak because he's used to hearing about him in the context of a potential Luongo return.


There's no irrational hatred at all. Bozak is a crap hockey player. He's terrible defensively, and do you really think he's going to put up these kinds of offensive numbers on the third line playing with inferior players to Kessel and 6-7 fewer minutes each game? It's just common sense.
The_Pauser
CC 2nd Team All-Star
 
Posts: 338
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Surrey, BC

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:32 am

The_Pauser wrote:
dbr wrote:Pauser has an irrational hatred for Tyler Bozak because he's used to hearing about him in the context of a potential Luongo return.


There's no irrational hatred at all. Bozak is a crap hockey player. He's terrible defensively, and do you really think he's going to put up these kinds of offensive numbers on the third line playing with inferior players to Kessel and 6-7 fewer minutes each game? It's just common sense.


No I don't think he'd produce the same numbers in different situations. Doesn't make him a "garbage" hockey player. If it makes you feel better I'd say he is firmly better than guys like Matt Stajan.

He is still better than every center on our roster but one, and even then their production might be close by the Pauser's Unique Points System standard.
dbr
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 2573
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:37 pm

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby Arachnid » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:44 am

Zamboni Driver wrote:
The_Pauser wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
UFA for UFA - Raymond for Bozak??? A trade of necessity.


Bozak is garbage. I'd rather trade Raymond for Clowe.


A center with 10 goals and a 53% FO rating? Where's the garbage in that?
How many goals does Clowe have again?
How many centers do we have now with >50% FO?


Clowe is a Left Winger you Clown :evil:
There is no such thing as climate change...there is no such thing as climate change...there is such thing as climate change...
Arachnid
CC Legend
 
Posts: 5198
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:56 pm
Location: Old Berlin

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby The_Pauser » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:39 am

dbr wrote:
The_Pauser wrote:
dbr wrote:Pauser has an irrational hatred for Tyler Bozak because he's used to hearing about him in the context of a potential Luongo return.


There's no irrational hatred at all. Bozak is a crap hockey player. He's terrible defensively, and do you really think he's going to put up these kinds of offensive numbers on the third line playing with inferior players to Kessel and 6-7 fewer minutes each game? It's just common sense.


No I don't think he'd produce the same numbers in different situations. Doesn't make him a "garbage" hockey player. If it makes you feel better I'd say he is firmly better than guys like Matt Stajan.

He is still better than every center on our roster but one, and even then their production might be close by the Pauser's Unique Points System standard.


What the hell are you talking about? Please, if you want a solid discussion then don't talk out of your ass about things you don't understand.

You really think Bozak is a better center than Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler?

Bozak is an average 3C who will cost a lot more than he's worth. He's the anti-moneypuck player.
The_Pauser
CC 2nd Team All-Star
 
Posts: 338
Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:21 pm
Location: Surrey, BC

Re: Canucks News and Notes

Postby dbr » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:57 am

The_Pauser wrote:
dbr wrote:No I don't think he'd produce the same numbers in different situations. Doesn't make him a "garbage" hockey player. If it makes you feel better I'd say he is firmly better than guys like Matt Stajan.

He is still better than every center on our roster but one, and even then their production might be close by the Pauser's Unique Points System standard.


What the hell are you talking about?


I was explaining your irrational hatred of Tyler Bozak to another poster who perhaps is unaware of your misadventures on other boards. Remind me again why we lost the SCF in 2011? :lol:

Please, if you want a solid discussion then don't talk out of your ass about things you don't understand.


You're right, I should leave it to more sophisticated thinkers than I to try to invent metrics for offensive production that invalidate the achievements of players I don't personally like.

You really think Bozak is a better center than Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler?


No, if you go back and reread my post I said " better than every center on our roster but one," just to help you along here the bold part excludes Ryan Kesler and the italics exclude Henrik Sedin.

So I think Bozak is a better center than Max Lapierre - at least based on Max's play this season (he's certainly capable of elevating his game), and Jordan Schroeder. Didn't think that would be super controversial but I suppose it is if you completely misread it to mean something other than what I said.

Bozak is an average 3C who will cost a lot more than he's worth. He's the anti-moneypuck player.


This I agree with, but of course I never advocated trading for him.

I just don't think "an average 3C" is "garbage" or "a crap hockey player" - in fact this team badly needs "an average 3C" right about now.. and just to stop your other hobby horse in its tracks this team needs a lot more than a third line center right now but that doesn't mean they don't also need that player.
dbr
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 2573
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:37 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Canucks Corner Chat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], rats19 and 3 guests