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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Zamboni Driver » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:35 am

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The Leafs have a good team but come playoff time I do not see either of their goalie as being able to steal a series or two, and that is what it will take. The Pens have goaltending issues, unless MAF recovers from his injury and regains his cup winning form, or Vokoun shines which is possible, but will rely upon their top nine to out score other teams. The Leafs don't have that type of fire power.

The Leafs are still a young team but are now well coached. I just don't see them going deep.


Oh heck I don't see them going deep either, but looks they'll avoid missing the playoffs 8 years in a row
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:03 am

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Meds wrote:I get a good laugh from the posts that warn us that trading Lou is a bad move because if Schneider gets hurt then we are screwed.

No shit Sherlocks.

That puts us in the same boat as every other team in the league.

Having a pair of great goalies isn't going to do anything in the playoffs if the team can't score because there aren't any forwards to get it done,

What would be different than every other team in the league is having absolutely no back up having played one minute in the NHL...
Every other team will have a one two combination while we are one goalie run away from Matt clime in the playoffs...
Unless a top six proven scorer is coming back with a back up goalie as part of the package, better to wait till the draft to move Luongo you never know how it shakes down, maybe Luongo helps us move up in the draft


That is a good point. Perhaps a swap of number ones plus plus with a team that has a higher pick. And who knows. This prolonged period of no trade may make Luongo agree to go almost anywhere.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby ukcanuck » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:30 am

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ukcanuck wrote:
Meds wrote:I get a good laugh from the posts that warn us that trading Lou is a bad move because if Schneider gets hurt then we are screwed.

No shit Sherlocks.

That puts us in the same boat as every other team in the league.

Having a pair of great goalies isn't going to do anything in the playoffs if the team can't score because there aren't any forwards to get it done,

What would be different than every other team in the league is having absolutely no back up having played one minute in the NHL...
Every other team will have a one two combination while we are one goalie run away from Matt clime in the playoffs...
Unless a top six proven scorer is coming back with a back up goalie as part of the package, better to wait till the draft to move Luongo you never know how it shakes down, maybe Luongo helps us move up in the draft


That is a good point. Perhaps a swap of number ones plus plus with a team that has a higher pick. And who knows. This prolonged period of no trade may make Luongo agree to go almost anywhere.


Florida will have an Awesome draft position ... Just sayin
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby BladesofSteel » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:48 am

TG stated quite nonchalantly on the TEAM last week that Luongo nixed a deal Gillis had made with TO back in the summer. He then back-pedaled and said "allegedly".

AFAIHH, nothing has been mentioned by anyone on the subject since. Regardless of whether this were true or not, there would always be further speculation on such a juicy tidbit, given the members of the ridiculous media in this town... but there hasn't been. It's my belief that this is indeed true, but with the circus that is the "trade deadline" before us, it makes for more compelling (nauseating) discussion suggesting TO is still an option. (Enter TO media) And for endless gloating from the West Coast once the goaltending situation is resolved, that Luongo did indeed exercise his NTC against a proposed deal with Toronto. :drink:

I still maintain that Luongo has no interest in playing for another hockey mad market, one that is further away from winning a cup, but mostly because he would still be 2000 km's from his family. Even with the prospect of making the playoffs for the first time in nearly a decade, Toronto is not an enticing destination.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby darren » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:44 am

ukcanuck wrote:What happens if Schneider trips over his dick in the shower and is out for 6 weeks or some such shit and you just traded Luongo for low draft picks to your competition for a cup??


This. If there's a good package you move him. There is no need to throw Lou away for next to nothing just before the playoffs, if we're planning on throwing him away for next to nothing we can always do that in the off season. I don't think having a high-quality backup on the bench during the playoffs is a "problem" that needs to be solved at all costs.

As an aside, people talk about "asset management" and "not losing something for nothing", but ya know, the PRESENT is worth something too. Add a healthy Kesler and Booth (both slated to be back for playoffs) and this is not a bad team. Not 2011, but not terrible. Who saw the Kings taking a run in 2012?
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Diehard1 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:36 am

darren wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:What happens if Schneider trips over his dick in the shower and is out for 6 weeks or some such shit and you just traded Luongo for low draft picks to your competition for a cup??


This. If there's a good package you move him. There is no need to throw Lou away for next to nothing just before the playoffs, if we're planning on throwing him away for next to nothing we can always do that in the off season. I don't think having a high-quality backup on the bench during the playoffs is a "problem" that needs to be solved at all costs.

As an aside, people talk about "asset management" and "not losing something for nothing", but ya know, the PRESENT is worth something too. Add a healthy Kesler and Booth (both slated to be back for playoffs) and this is not a bad team. Not 2011, but not terrible. Who saw the Kings taking a run in 2012?


If any major player gets injured - Crosby, Daniel, Henrik, Thornton, Toews, Lundqvist, etc - their team is screwed. Why the hell would you keep an asset sitting on the bench when it could be on the ice actually helping you win? I really dont understand this mentality, makes no sense. If you're going to sit here and worry about who could get injured you're never going to do anything.

As you say, the present is worth something - but you're throwing away a piece of it if you leave an asset on the bench that could really help by bringing something back in trade. That statement contradicts you other sentence.

As for Toronto, if you get Bozak plus a little something I'm all for it - no idea what that little something would be, perhaps a draft pick or solid prospect.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby ukcanuck » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:56 am

Diehard1 wrote:
darren wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:What happens if Schneider trips over his dick in the shower and is out for 6 weeks or some such shit and you just traded Luongo for low draft picks to your competition for a cup??


This. If there's a good package you move him. There is no need to throw Lou away for next to nothing just before the playoffs, if we're planning on throwing him away for next to nothing we can always do that in the off season. I don't think having a high-quality backup on the bench during the playoffs is a "problem" that needs to be solved at all costs.

As an aside, people talk about "asset management" and "not losing something for nothing", but ya know, the PRESENT is worth something too. Add a healthy Kesler and Booth (both slated to be back for playoffs) and this is not a bad team. Not 2011, but not terrible. Who saw the Kings taking a run in 2012?


If any major player gets injured - Crosby, Daniel, Henrik, Thornton, Toews, Lundqvist, etc - their team is screwed. Why the hell would you keep an asset sitting on the bench when it could be on the ice actually helping you win? I really dont understand this mentality, makes no sense. If you're going to sit here and worry about who could get injured you're never going to do anything.

As you say, the present is worth something - but you're throwing away a piece of it if you leave an asset on the bench that could really help by bringing something back in trade. That statement contradicts you other sentence.

As for Toronto, if you get Bozak plus a little something I'm all for it - no idea what that little something would be, perhaps a draft pick or solid prospect.

You're over looking depth at the position.
Any forward or defence an that goes down regardless of who it is, can be made up for much easier due to sheer numbers. Lose you're number one centre? The 2nd line centre will be a step down but not a drop off a cliff.

The fact is the Canucks make the playoffs and have shot however slim. Lose Schneider and with no Luongo its game over for 2013...

The only way you trade Luongo now is for another game proven goalie and something else...

In the off season is another story.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Arachnid » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:42 am

ukcanuck wrote:
Diehard1 wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:What happens if Schneider trips over his dick in the shower and is out for 6 weeks or some such shit and you just traded Luongo for low draft picks to your competition for a cup??


If any major player gets injured - Crosby, Daniel, Henrik, Thornton, Toews, Lundqvist, etc - their team is screwed. Why the hell would you keep an asset sitting on the bench when it could be on the ice actually helping you win? I really dont understand this mentality, makes no sense. If you're going to sit here and worry about who could get injured you're never going to do anything.

As you say, the present is worth something - but you're throwing away a piece of it if you leave an asset on the bench that could really help by bringing something back in trade. That statement contradicts you other sentence.

As for Toronto, if you get Bozak plus a little something I'm all for it - no idea what that little something would be, perhaps a draft pick or solid prospect.

You're over looking depth at the position.
Any forward or defence an that goes down regardless of who it is, can be made up for much easier due to sheer numbers. Lose you're number one centre? The 2nd line centre will be a step down but not a drop off a cliff.

The fact is the Canucks make the playoffs and have shot however slim. Lose Schneider and with no Luongo its game over for 2013...

The only way you trade Luongo now is for another game proven goalie and something else...

In the off season is another story.


Well duh, the rule of thumb is if you are an Elite™ Team ('Hi' Don :D ) you do not normally give someone up on your player roster if you are heading into the playoffs.

The facts are we are on a 6 game winning streak. We are 3rd in our Conference, 1st in the Division. We have major injuries to our very important 2nd line yet are still qualify as a Cup Contender (yes, it is acknowledged that this is conditional of geting Kessler back healthy and hungry for the post-season run). Our only big bad rookie is injured.

Based on this it does not seem that MG will make a deal if it doesn't feel right. He's patient and no one is panicking.

Now if we were hovering in and out of 8th place it's a whole different story.

I never thought Luo thought would be traded before the season started (it never made any sense, no matter what that CoxSmoker drivels out of his puss stained fingers...)

I did think it would be a deadline deal because of the injuries and poor performances but now what can we say?!

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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:22 pm

I don't buy the rumour Luongo nixed a trade. AS far as I know he has not yet been asked to waive his NTC. These rumours are not congruent.

First you have Shannon say it's a done deal as soon as the lockout is over. He knows the players involved but won't say. No explanation why this supposed deal didn't happen since he reported it was done.

Then you have Cox say there never was a deal because the Canucks insisted on Kadri and the Leafs said no. A player who had yet to show he would break out by the way.

Then you had Cox say that the Canucks never asked for Kadri and a deal was never close.

Now you have TG saying Luongo nixed a deal over the summer.

And you have HW saying that her sources have been saying all along that Luongo has yet to be asked to waive his NTC.

Who ya gonna believe?
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Topper » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:32 pm

Oh but your Kool Aid is the sweetest.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Arachnid » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:50 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:I don't buy the rumour Luongo nixed a trade. AS far as I know he has not yet been asked to waive his NTC. These rumours are not congruent.

First you have Shannon say it's a done deal as soon as the lockout is over. He knows the players involved but won't say. No explanation why this supposed deal didn't happen since he reported it was done.

Then you have Cox say there never was a deal because the Canucks insisted on Kadri and the Leafs said no. A player who had yet to show he would break out by the way.

Then you had Cox say that the Canucks never asked for Kadri and a deal was never close.

Now you have TG saying Luongo nixed a deal over the summer.

And you have HW saying that her sources have been saying all along that Luongo has yet to be asked to waive his NTC.

Who ya gonna believe?


Rumours phhhhht, that worked well with the Iggy pop trade :look:
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby darren » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:07 pm

Diehard1 wrote:As for Toronto, if you get Bozak plus a little something I'm all for it - no idea what that little something would be, perhaps a draft pick or solid prospect.


Obviously, yes, that's worth discussing. I'm responding to your earlier quote:

Gillis should take the best offer on the table, whatever it might be, and move him while getting a decent backup for injury cover in return. Don't need this distraction during the playoffs, wondering who might start the next game if Schneids looks shakey one game (and he will, goalies always do).


If "whatever it might be" is a bag of pucks, should we move Lou for a bag of pucks? I would say no.... we can do that in the off season.

I'm with uk.... you trade Lou (and other assets as required) now IF the net return is
1. a backup goalie
2. and something else that helps us now (ie: better than the other assets that we gave up in addition to Lou, if any).

If MG can't get those things, then there is NO point in trading Lou now. I'd rather have Lou sitting on the bench than Matt Climie, all other things being equal.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:05 pm

ukcanuck wrote:
Florida will have an Awesome draft position ... Just sayin


I fully anticipate Tallon giving up the opportunity to draft Jones, McKinnon, Drouin, Barkov etc for a 34 year old Luongo.
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby ukcanuck » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:12 am

RoyalDude wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:
Florida will have an Awesome draft position ... Just sayin


I fully anticipate Tallon giving up the opportunity to draft Jones, McKinnon, Drouin, Barkov etc for a 34 year old Luongo.

Don't be so negative nancy boy, who knows what Tallon will do. He might decide that the Edmonton model of not trading draft picks and keeping a stable full of youngsters with no veteran presence is not the best way to go...

You totally underestimate luongo's worth and you buy into Burkes kool aid over Luongo's contract way too easily... Either that or you want to be right so bad you are willing to throw away the truth like a used Big Mac box
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Re: What would you do at the deadline if you were Gillis?

Postby Diehard1 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:34 am

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darren wrote:
ukcanuck wrote:What happens if Schneider trips over his dick in the shower and is out for 6 weeks or some such shit and you just traded Luongo for low draft picks to your competition for a cup??


This. If there's a good package you move him. There is no need to throw Lou away for next to nothing just before the playoffs, if we're planning on throwing him away for next to nothing we can always do that in the off season. I don't think having a high-quality backup on the bench during the playoffs is a "problem" that needs to be solved at all costs.

As an aside, people talk about "asset management" and "not losing something for nothing", but ya know, the PRESENT is worth something too. Add a healthy Kesler and Booth (both slated to be back for playoffs) and this is not a bad team. Not 2011, but not terrible. Who saw the Kings taking a run in 2012?


If any major player gets injured - Crosby, Daniel, Henrik, Thornton, Toews, Lundqvist, etc - their team is screwed. Why the hell would you keep an asset sitting on the bench when it could be on the ice actually helping you win? I really dont understand this mentality, makes no sense. If you're going to sit here and worry about who could get injured you're never going to do anything.

As you say, the present is worth something - but you're throwing away a piece of it if you leave an asset on the bench that could really help by bringing something back in trade. That statement contradicts you other sentence.

As for Toronto, if you get Bozak plus a little something I'm all for it - no idea what that little something would be, perhaps a draft pick or solid prospect.[/quote]
You're over looking depth at the position.
Any forward or defence an that goes down regardless of who it is, can be made up for much easier due to sheer numbers. Lose you're number one centre? The 2nd line centre will be a step down but not a drop off a cliff.

The fact is the Canucks make the playoffs and have shot however slim. Lose Schneider and with no Luongo its game over for 2013...

The only way you trade Luongo now is for another game proven goalie and something else...

In the off season is another story.[/quote]

This is why you get a goalie in return. And I completely disagree about losing your number 1 center and being ok - this team loses Henrik and they are finished, done, no chance at all.
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