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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:27 am

I don't think his value dropped. First, I think some over valued him as a rental. Second, he controlled where he wanted to go.

From my sources, and yes, he knows Iginla personally, but no he doesn't know the whole story:

The deal Feaster favoured was the Boston deal. The first was not going to be conditional, it was the two players named plus a first. The LA deal involved Bernier, a first and something else which the Flames liked but Iginla said no to LA. His thoughts were if he was moving as a rental, because none of the teams were prepared to talk extension, then he wanted to go where he felt the best chance of a cup was going to be. He also had conversations with Crosby and two other players on the Pens, don't know who. After the Morrow deal he was uncertain if the Pens would get back into the picture as their previous offer to Feaster had been turned down.

So the confusion, if there ever was any was simple. Feaster presented the offers and told Iginla the Flames preferred the Boston offer. Iginla left the arena and went home to discuss with his agent and family. Once the Boston game was over the Bruins wanted to consummate the deal. Iginla said he was still thinking it over. Feaster tried to persuade Iginla to take the Boston deal, it was the better of the two deals on the table, Iginla had already said no to LA so there were two teams standing. Iginla was torn but he wanted the Pens. Once the Pens made their final offer Iginla knew that it was still possible. After the Morrow trade he wasn't sure anymore if a deal to the Pens was in the cards but the Pens stepped up. Iginla decided for himself that he wanted to play with Crosby and the Pens. At that point he was no longer prepared to waive to go anywhere else. Feaster's hands were tied. He could pull the deal and get nothing or take the best that he could get.

By the way, the Pens were said to have offered more before they pulled the trigger for Morrow but Feaster told them it wasn't enough. Iginla all along said his first choice was the Pens so once they stepped up his decision was really simple.

This is the exact situation we face with Luongo. If MG gets an offer he likes but one of the Florida teams steps up with an offer then Luongo could do the exact same thing, take the one where he prefers to play.

So value is relative to the player who holds the NTC/NMC. I really don't think Feaster had any other options, other than to refuse to trade Iginla. So he got something rather than nothing.

In his press conference Feaster said that he and Iginla had already talked about an extension and that Feaster told him it wasn't in the plans. So Iginla knew he was done in Calgary. All along, if he moved, he wanted to go to Pittsburg. If that wasn't possible then he gave a short list of other teams he would CONSIDER.

I think the Pens played this perfectly. They knew where Iginla preferred to play but at the same time they did offer up two prospects and a 1st for a rental player.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby BCExpat » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:39 am

Thanks HW - good post.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Meds » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:53 am

Thanks HW.

I hope Iginla does get his ring in Pittsburgh.....so long as they aren't playing for it against us (fat chance). :P

It will also give me some satisfaction to watch my brother turn into a little crying bitch and swear off of NHL hockey forever if Crosby gets another ring. :P
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:50 am

I love Iginla and even more so after Linden's last game and he lead the Flames back on the ice to shake Trevor's hand. I thought that was pure class. I would love to see what Iginla could do playing the right side with the twins. I think he would be dynamite and I also think he would bring some toughness to that line and not let them get bitch slapped. And the price is one we could have afforded but from what I know now he would not have agreed to waive to come to Vancouver so Mg had no chance to get him at that price. If he was moving he wanted to move for a chance at the cup.

If we are knocked out I will be cheering for the Pens. I'd love to see Iginla win a cup and even more so now that it isn't with Calgary. :mrgreen:

In the off season he will get one last chance for a retirement contract. I see him getting Doan type of money and term somewhere. If he wins a cup I am sure he will have more options in his mind. If not then I see him looking to a contender again. He won't be back in Calgary. And I don't think he sees Vancouver as a fit. Not right now anyway, the rivalry thing and all but who knows in the off season. But we won't be able to afford him.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby ukcanuck » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:28 am

Iggy is the best flame ever.,.such a waste
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Zamboni Driver » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:39 am

Meds wrote:Calgary got screwed.

Pittsburgh is near the top of the standings, if they win it all the first rounder gets them the 30th overall pick. Nothing special there.

The prospects aren't anything special either. .


Not really, Calgary got a couple of prospects and a low first rounder for a guy UFA at season's end.

And he may decide to re-sign in Calgary for another year?
(And get traded next Feb for another 1st rounder? :wow: )

And keep in mind that the Pens are giving all this up for 2 months service or so, they have pretty much no chance of keeping him. They have only 8 forwards signed for next year, + need a couple D men, and have 3 RFA's. They have only $10 mil cap, so unless Jerome is willing to take a really deep cut to remain in P-burg or they trade away Letang or some other major piece I don't see how they can keep him.


If Jerome resigns a 1 yr deal in Calgary (cuz his family is there etc) then who got the better out of the deal?
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Vpete » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:05 am

Hockey Widow wrote:
Vpete wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:Kipper will get the Sundin treatment now from the Calgary faithful. What I found most surprising was when some of the commentators said they expected he might actually retire after this season since he will only earn 1.5 next year if he plays. Although I think he comes back if for no other reason than to have a shot at what will be his last Olympics, should he make the team.

I supported Sundin in his stance and I support Kipper in his. Tough sell but the reality of business.

Just glad Luongo hasn't taken that stance.

Sundin had that right due to contract NTC- Kipper does not. All that talk about class in Calgary really has no meaning when St. Mikka doesn't get his way.



Of course he has the right to refuse to report and retire any damn day he pleases. Just like a team has the right to sit a player in the press box and not dress them or ask them to sit at home all season so as not to get hurt so they can be bought out. Or a team decides for medical reasons a player should not be on the ice even if the player disagrees. A team is under no obligation to play a player it has under contract yet when a player says I won't report, for family reasons I want to stay, suddenly he is in breach of his contract. Nonsense.

It's a business. Kipper cannot veto a trade. He knows that. But he has the right to stop playing hockey any day of the week. To imply otherwise is foolish. Some may not like it, but it is an option open to any player to simply say I won't play. He isn't the first player to do this and won't be the last. He could have waited until he was traded. And then decided that hey I think I will retire now. Is he in breach then? No, he simply decided to retire. But he had the balls to tell the Flames up front, I won't report, I will retire. Flames fans don't care if he retires. They would have been thrilled had he been traded for some decent return and then refused to report and retire. They then would have defended his right to do so and laughed at the team that got stuck with him, saying its all business. They would have called him loyal, and a true Flame. They are simply pissed because he did it first and unless a perspective team can persuade him to move he won't be traded.

He isn't asking for the right to pick and choose a destination. He is simply saying, I'm done. I will finish out my contract in Calgary and then I'm done.If Calgary wishes to trade him then he is done sooner. If he is using this to manipulate where he goes then I cry foul. If he says I won't report unless I like the team you want me to go to then, ya, he is being a manipulative prick. But thats not what I get from this. I get he is done and wants to be done in Calgary.


I don't disagree with everything you said- it's all fair. I think if Kipper is saying he wants to retire, retire already. He's not saying I'm done, he's saying if 'you use your contractual right to trade me I will use my right to retire'. It's not about retirement it's about him trying to prevent something from happening he doesn't want to happen. Once again, his right to proceed that way but still telling in some ways.

Glad it's not the Canucks problem.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Larry Goodenough » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:33 am

I think Iginla heard Marchand post game last night whining yet again about Montreal "embellishing" and told Feaster there was no way he could stomach the Bruins' never ending hypocrisy - send me to Pittsburgh.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Uncle dans leg » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:38 am

Larry Goodenough wrote:I think Iginla heard Marchand post game last night whining yet again about Montreal "embellishing" and told Feaster there was no way he could stomach the Bruins' never ending hypocrisy - send me to Pittsburgh.

+1 It's pathetic. I watched that game and those fuckers are diving worse than I've seen in a long time. Did you guys see Thorton go down like a bag of onions by the MTL net? How can these refs look themselves in the mirror after getting sucked in like that....
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Larry Goodenough » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:48 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:
Larry Goodenough wrote:I think Iginla heard Marchand post game last night whining yet again about Montreal "embellishing" and told Feaster there was no way he could stomach the Bruins' never ending hypocrisy - send me to Pittsburgh.

+1 It's pathetic. I watched that game and those fuckers are diving worse than I've seen in a long time. Did you guys see Thorton go down like a bag of onions by the MTL net? How can these refs look themselves in the mirror after getting sucked in like that....


I just saw Marchand after the game with the Boston media lapping it up. TSN showed him with his stick clearly up in Subban's face and Chara butt ending another guy in the face, but Marchand was complaining about the calls and Montreal embellishing.

There's something odd about Boston sports in general. The citizens appear more interested in feeling morally superior to the opponent than winning. The players seem to know this and throw this stuff out there to distract from the fact they lost their composure and choked away the lead in an important game.

Does it have something to do with always being New York's little brother?
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Jovocop » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:53 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:How can these refs look themselves in the mirror after getting sucked in like that....


As long as the player's is not wearing Canucks no.14, the refs don't mind at all...
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Hockey Widow » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:57 pm

After listening to Feaster, Chiarelli and Iginla I think it is pretty obvious that there was a major fuck up. When the Flames asked for a list of teams they were under the impression that those teams were approved and they were free to take the offer they liked best. Feaster told the Bruins you have a deal, you won the sweeps and he is yours. Thus all the leaks from Boston. Feaster told the Bruins he just had to go back to Iginla and get the paper work done and give him some time to deal with it. Then the Bruins hear nothing from noon until their game starts even though they are trying to reach feaster to find out why the delay. The delay? Iginla wanted to go to Pittsburg. Feaster is under the impression that he will go to any of the teams on his list if the Flames think it is the best deal. Iginla is like no, there is a list of teams you have deals with you can live with and I get the final say. So the delay was Feaster trying to persuade Iginla to take Boston and taking as much time as he needed to get there. But Iginla chose Pittsburg so now Feaster has to go back to Boston and say sorry player chose Pittsburg what can I say. Boston said wait you said we had a deal and all Feaster can do is say he thought they did too but the player chose Pittsburg.

So the moral of the story, when dealing with a player with a NMC/NTC be clear what the list is they are giving you. Have the pre approved a trade to any of those teams at your choice or are they saying, like Iginla did, here is a list, get deals you can live with and then I'll look at them all.

This is another blunder by Feaster. He told Boston we have a deal, it's the paper work that needs to get done. When in fact the Iginla camp was waiting for a list of what teams made offers Feaster could live with. So Feaster misunderstood, jumped the gun and had to back peddle. The other near blunder of course the other ROR offer sheet and waivers, which could have been a huge fiasco had the Avs not matched.

And yes, Iginla knew that Feaster had already told Boston he was going there. And yes Boston had asked for permission to talk to Iginla but the Flames said no. Why? Because Iginla and his agent did not want to entertain talks from other teams at this point.

By the way, speaking of Luongo, this is exactly what his agent has said to MG all along. When you get offers you can live with come to us and we will decide if we want to waive to any of those destinations. So if MG was ever unclear now is a good time to get clarity.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Reefer2 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:01 pm

Thanks HW and yes it is a good lesson learned for MG to have.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Topper » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:22 pm

LOL at uncle fester. He's making the inbreds from Viking look smart.

Best comment I read at Bountiful was someone asking if anybody in the deal needed to clear waivers.
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Re: From Bountiful to Ponoka

Postby Fifty Fifty » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:53 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:After listening to Feaster, Chiarelli and Iginla I think it is pretty obvious that there was a major fuck up. When the Flames asked for a list of teams they were under the impression that those teams were approved and they were free to take the offer they liked best. Feaster told the Bruins you have a deal, you won the sweeps and he is yours. Thus all the leaks from Boston. Feaster told the Bruins he just had to go back to Iginla and get the paper work done and give him some time to deal with it. Then the Bruins hear nothing from noon until their game starts even though they are trying to reach feaster to find out why the delay. The delay? Iginla wanted to go to Pittsburg. Feaster is under the impression that he will go to any of the teams on his list if the Flames think it is the best deal. Iginla is like no, there is a list of teams you have deals with you can live with and I get the final say. So the delay was Feaster trying to persuade Iginla to take Boston and taking as much time as he needed to get there. But Iginla chose Pittsburg so now Feaster has to go back to Boston and say sorry player chose Pittsburg what can I say. Boston said wait you said we had a deal and all Feaster can do is say he thought they did too but the player chose Pittsburg.

So the moral of the story, when dealing with a player with a NMC/NTC be clear what the list is they are giving you. Have the pre approved a trade to any of those teams at your choice or are they saying, like Iginla did, here is a list, get deals you can live with and then I'll look at them all.



This is another blunder by Feaster. He told Boston we have a deal, it's the paper work that needs to get done. When in fact the Iginla camp was waiting for a list of what teams made offers Feaster could live with. So Feaster misunderstood, jumped the gun and had to back peddle. The other near blunder of course the other ROR offer sheet and waivers, which could have been a huge fiasco had the Avs not matched.

And yes, Iginla knew that Feaster had already told Boston he was going there. And yes Boston had asked for permission to talk to Iginla but the Flames said no. Why? Because Iginla and his agent did not want to entertain talks from other teams at this point.

By the way, speaking of Luongo, this is exactly what his agent has said to MG all along. When you get offers you can live with come to us and we will decide if we want to waive to any of those destinations. So if MG was ever unclear now is a good time to get clarity.


What I don't understand is how Iginla knew of the Pittsburgh offer. If the deal was to bring offer Calgary could "live with" then Feaster should not have put anything before Iginla until he had the deal he wanted and simply presented the Boston deal as the one he could live with. That the Pittsburgh offer was disclosed suggests that Iginla had made the disclosure of all offers a requirement and that should have told Feaster that Iginla intended to reserve some discretion. Telling that to Boston would have weakened Feaster's hand in levering the best possible deal out of them so he probably gave them the impression that his decision was final and thought/hoped he could sell Iginla on it.
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