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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby herb » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:55 pm

No thanks to that asking price for Clowe.

Would I want Gillis to go after FA Clowe? Absolutely. But a first round pick and a prospect for a guy who has been showing signs of slowing down and was never a dominant force to begin with AND could be purely a rental player anyway? No way.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:15 pm

And the reality of deadline day becomes apparent once again. It is not the time to build a team. It isn't even a time to plug holes, maybe one hole but not multiple holes. It is the time for a contender to create depth, add a piece or two to put them over the top.

My god with what is being kicked around Ballard should bring 2, 1 round picks :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Especially now that he has shown how brilliant he is as a forward. What versatility that man has.

There are a lot of players that would help but I hope MG does not pay the price for these rentals. Does make me wonder why he didn't put a claim in on Halpern or Juicy. Thos would fill holes and cost us nothing but cap space.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Mondi » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:45 pm

Every year the asking prices are exceptionally high and they come down toward the deadline (i.e. 10 minutes before). If there is a reasonable deal to be made, Gillis should consider it given the Sedins' age.

With that being said, you don't really hear much about Zetterberg and Datsyuk aging even though HZ is the same age as the twins and PD is older. Same with Martin St. Louis. Joe Sakic was still dealy until 36 or 37.

That begs the question, is the "window" actually closing? Or is that another constructioin of the local panic media?

If the Canucks can get a working part for something like a mid-range prospect or a 2nd or 3rd round pick, I'm all for it. Those picks won't help the team for 3 to 5 seasons from now, at which time the dynamics of the team will have changed significantly. A future Janik Hansen or MayRay won't make us a contender in 5 to 6 years if there are no Sedin-type players to play above them, but the addition of a solid soldier today might help put us in the conversation with Chi, Bos, La and Pit.

Another option might be to trade a cheaper player with upside or at least 10 years left in their career, for a guy with 3 to 5 years left who is a better player today.

As for specifics...anyone's guess is as good as mine. What say you HW?

I'm all for adding someone with more cache than an Erich Weinrich, or Samme Phaulssen. But, I'm not in support of adding a high priced rental (Clowe) or over-the-hill star (Sundin). Must find that happy medium.

Although, Sundin might have been a great addition had he been with the team all season or even played somewhere for the whole season (ala Jagr).
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Uncle dans leg » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:19 pm

Iginla a healthy scratch tonight....let the games begin
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby $lacker » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:19 pm

Looks like the end of an era in Calgary as he is a healthy scratch as well as some top Boston prospects:

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Rumors today in BOS were Jordan Caron and Matt Bartkowski were perhaps on way out. Caron in, Bartkowski scratched, Krug called up.

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Then BOS prospect Alex Khokhlachev a healthy scratch for Providence tonight and CGY announces Iginla a healthy scratch tonight.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:27 pm

TSN says it's looking like Iginla to Boston for Alexander Khokhlachev (who TSN believes is Boston's best non-goalie prospect), Matt Bartkowski and a 1st round draft pick.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Meds » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:42 pm

The Sedins aren't in decline skill-wise or physically.

The Canucks' system is in decline. It is predictable and so point totals are dropping. We saw this being in the latter half of last season where more and more teams started to match up and play the Canucks the same way that Boston did in the Finals.

It has been the lack of adjustment to the attack that makes it appear like the Sedins are declining. It's the whole team. I don't notice them being slower, their passes are generally just as crisp, they still control the puck on the boards and win the majority of the one-on-one battles along the wall, they can still control the tempo of the play in the offensive zone and bottle teams up.....teams that DON'T play defense like the Bruins and Kings.

Give the team a new look on the attack and watch the Sedins produce again.

Oh, and they have to remember to shoot more often. That seems to be the issue too. It's another reason why I think Vigneault is done here, he has apparently been trying to get them to limit the cute passes and multi-pass plays and start getting pucks on net. They still don't shoot when given golden opportunities and always look to fake and pass off. If they aren't listening to the coach, then you can bet a fair chunk of the roster isn't either.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Potatoe1 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:50 pm

Meds wrote:The Sedins aren't in decline skill-wise or physically.


Not sure I agree.

They are still very good players but their point totals and defensive game have been dropping year over year.

More importantly however their ability to kick it up and dominate the later parts of close games just does not seem to be there anymore. That is the thing that has concerned me the most this season. They were always the most fit guys on the ice and I'm not sure they have that edge anymore.

Still very good players and should be there for a while, but I really think they have taken a step back from where they were 2-3 years ago.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Uncle dans leg » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:58 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:TSN says it's looking like Iginla to Boston for Alexander Khokhlachev (who TSN believes is Boston's best non-goalie prospect), Matt Bartkowski and a 1st round draft pick.

Considering what Pitt paid for Morrow, the Flames are getting bent over. As the TSN panel eluded to...the russian isn't an "A" level prospect, Bartkowski is a #5 Dman and Bostons 1st might end up a #30 pick.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:06 pm

This years playoffs will tell us all we need to know about the twins. I thought their compete level was excellent in the brief series last year. They seem to be a bit more angry on the ice this season. An edge I have never seen before with these guys.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Potatoe1 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:21 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:This years playoffs will tell us all we need to know about the twins. I thought their compete level was excellent in the brief series last year. They seem to be a bit more angry on the ice this season. An edge I have never seen before with these guys.


Getting angry is a negative as far as I'm concerned. That was never their game.

They Twins used to where down their match up and then dominate them in the 3rd. That is what made them eliet players.

Not seeing that at all this year.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:28 pm

Remember, not so long ago in fact, when you all slagged ole Boi RD for saying that the best years are behind the 33 year old Sedins with all you saying things like "THEY HAVE LOTS OF AMAZING HOCKEY LEFT IN THEM YA TROLL!
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:30 pm

Meds wrote:The Sedins aren't in decline skill-wise or physically.

The Canucks' system is in decline. It is predictable and so point totals are dropping. We saw this being in the latter half of last season where more and more teams started to match up and play the Canucks the same way that Boston did in the Finals.

It has been the lack of adjustment to the attack that makes it appear like the Sedins are declining. It's the whole team. I don't notice them being slower, their passes are generally just as crisp, they still control the puck on the boards and win the majority of the one-on-one battles along the wall, they can still control the tempo of the play in the offensive zone and bottle teams up.....teams that DON'T play defense like the Bruins and Kings.

Give the team a new look on the attack and watch the Sedins produce again.

Oh, and they have to remember to shoot more often. That seems to be the issue too. It's another reason why I think Vigneault is done here, he has apparently been trying to get them to limit the cute passes and multi-pass plays and start getting pucks on net. They still don't shoot when given golden opportunities and always look to fake and pass off. If they aren't listening to the coach, then you can bet a fair chunk of the roster isn't either.


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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:33 pm

Good points.... however did you not think Henrik was excellent in last years post season ? Maybe anger was a poor choice of words... I don't think they really have it in them, though I have enough for both. I guess I see a couple guys who might occasionally push back these days where they wouldn't do that before. I still see the great shifts where they do wear teams down and look like world beaters but they are few and far between compared to 2 - 3 years ago.

As I said this playoffs will reveal a lot about the twins.

As an asside dude they aren't 33 and they DO have a lot of good hockey left. You beak off like they are like Messier in his last two years. You do realize guys like St Louis, Chara, Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterburg and a lot of others are still playing at a high level are older than the twins right ??? Maybe if they got some healthy fucking scoring support they would be able to breathe. Burrows needs an extended break from that line.
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Re: Around the league (signings, RFAs injuries)

Postby Potatoe1 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:35 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Remember, not so long ago in fact, when you all slagged ole Boi RD for saying that the best years are behind the 33 year old Sedins with all you saying things like "THEY HAVE LOTS OF AMAZING HOCKEY LEFT IN THEM YA TROLL!


They do have lots of excellent hockey left.

That said, very few forwards peak after 31+.

Welcome to stating the obvious (smile).
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