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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:48 am

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I'm just saying that when trading up coming UFA's at the deadline, unless you are talking Jerome Iginla types, you ain't getting much in return. We are talking Raymond and Higgins, and you certainly are not getting 1st round picks for them let alone 2nd round picks. I totally agree with your Calgary Flames nod to our management. I've been saying for awhile that Gillis is gonna manage this team into the new Flames if he isn't careful, he already has IMO. Get a bunch of cast offs and surround the Sedins with them, same thing Iginla has been getting in Calgary.

I just don't think Gillis is the visionary to mail it in this year and build for next season and the seasons after which is why this team is on its way to becoming the future mediocre Flames for the next 5 years. The terrible drafting and developing over Gillis tenure is eerily similar to that of the Flames.

There ain't a GM out there that is willing to blow up a chunk of their futures to acquire a 34 year old Luongo with that contract. The fact that Gillis does not seem to understand this is beyond me. Gillis and AV mishandled the Luo/Schneider situation last season. We should be trading Schneider for the simple reason only, that he is highly more marketable on the trade market.


Do you consider Paul Guastad a Jarome Iginla type? Because last year he returned a 1st round pick. Johnny Oduya brought back a 2nd and a 3rd. Andrei Kostitsyn brought back a 2nd round pick. I don't think these players are significantly better than Raymond and Higgins at all. Hell, Dominic Moore even brought back a 2nd round pick.

Aside from that I agree with everything else you posted.


I hear ya, but I just don't see Gillis canning the season and going on a fire sale, no way. Still think you're dreaming if you think Raymond and Higgins can return a first round pick.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Canuck-One » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:27 pm

As much as some of you want to fire AV or trade away Ballard, Booth, Higgins or Raymond, they aren't the problem. You can't play in this league with only 1 credible centerman. After Hank you have only a 4th line bash and crash guy in Lapierre. No second or third line center at all. Higgins isn't a center and Ebbett is an AHL lifer. So if somebody has to go it should be Gillis. A complete failure to sign what was needed in the off season. No replacement for Kesler no one to take over for Malhotra when he knew the guy couldn't play. Letting Schultz slip through his fingers. Years of incredibly bad drafting. Why does he still have a job? Yes he is a very bright guy but thinking not doing doesn't work.

The only thing I can't blame him for is holding on to Luo. If what has been said about Luo being able to ask for a trade but not necessarily getting it automatically are true, then he is playing it correctly. Wait for someone to panic and get the best package be it for either Luo or Schneider. Put me in the keep Luo camp, if we can keep him.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Benjo » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:45 pm

Wait for Kesler to get back and get a 3C and the team will be fine. No need to sell our depth or our farm in this shortened season when 29 teams are still in the mix for the playoffs. I doubt LA would have done it but Gillis should have been in on the Loktionov deal, he has shot up the NJ depth chart extremely quickly and would have been a great stop gap for our 2nd line.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby The_Pauser » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:05 pm

Benjo wrote:Wait for Kesler to get back and get a 3C and the team will be fine. No need to sell our depth or our farm in this shortened season when 29 teams are still in the mix for the playoffs. I doubt LA would have done it but Gillis should have been in on the Loktionov deal, he has shot up the NJ depth chart extremely quickly and would have been a great stop gap for our 2nd line.


Right, because ALL this team needs is a 3C. Makes sense. I guess we need a 3rd straight playoff failure due to crappy offense for people to get it.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby paddy » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:39 pm

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Benjo wrote:Wait for Kesler to get back and get a 3C and the team will be fine. No need to sell our depth or our farm in this shortened season when 29 teams are still in the mix for the playoffs. I doubt LA would have done it but Gillis should have been in on the Loktionov deal, he has shot up the NJ depth chart extremely quickly and would have been a great stop gap for our 2nd line.


Right, because ALL this team needs is a 3C. Makes sense. I guess we need a 3rd straight playoff failure due to crappy offense for people to get it.


8 goals in the Stanley Cup Final in 7 games... This team struggled to score down the stretch last yr and into the post season and not much has changed this yr... The last thing this team needs is a deadline deal this isn't a good hockey club and it hasn't been for awhile now...
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:40 pm

Benjo wrote:Wait for Kesler to get back and get a 3C and the team will be fine. No need to sell our depth or our farm in this shortened season when 29 teams are still in the mix for the playoffs. I doubt LA would have done it but Gillis should have been in on the Loktionov deal, he has shot up the NJ depth chart extremely quickly and would have been a great stop gap for our 2nd line.



Actually no..... because if Henrik or Kesler gets hurt the team is fucked and as we've seen one of the shittier clubs in the league. Does 5 - 6- 4 ring a bell ??. Furthermore they can't score goals to save their life and the PP sucks. They are short a RH d -man and have 2 1/2 elite forwards. The good teams have 4 or 5 elite forwards. You are right in that they are lacking a 3rd line centre but they are also lacking another stud up fron that can play the middle in the event of injuries and a solid 4/5 D man who shoots right handed. They need a serious makeover. I'm not sure if Eye Bags is up to the task.

As an asside I wonder how all the meat puppets on hf boards who post all their drivel then hide behind the mods would do where they don't have a constant bodyguard. That place is worse than CDC and that says a lot.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:42 pm

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Benjo wrote:Wait for Kesler to get back and get a 3C and the team will be fine. No need to sell our depth or our farm in this shortened season when 29 teams are still in the mix for the playoffs. I doubt LA would have done it but Gillis should have been in on the Loktionov deal, he has shot up the NJ depth chart extremely quickly and would have been a great stop gap for our 2nd line.


Right, because ALL this team needs is a 3C. Makes sense. I guess we need a 3rd straight playoff failure due to crappy offense for people to get it.


8 goals in the Stanley Cup Final in 7 games... This team struggled to score down the stretch last yr and into the post season and not much has changed this yr... The last thing this team needs is a deadline deal this isn't a good hockey club and it hasn't been for awhile now...


I don't think they are that far off padraig but they need some fairly big tweaks here. There are some pieces to move. They are overloaded with wingers and have a goalie and a 2014 1st rounder. According to the pauser we should trade Ballard for Chris Stewart.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:56 pm

What Gillis needs to do is figure out how to pull off a trade like the Blues did in acquiring Stewart, Shattenkirk, and a draft pick that was used to draft Ty Rattie for 1st overall pick bust Eric Johnson and McClement.

This club is too stale and too predictable, Gillis has taken this core group past their prime. Time to shake the tree.

Problem being, Gillis is just waaaaayy to smart for the other GM's. *sarcasm*
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Benjo » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:43 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
Benjo wrote:Wait for Kesler to get back and get a 3C and the team will be fine. No need to sell our depth or our farm in this shortened season when 29 teams are still in the mix for the playoffs. I doubt LA would have done it but Gillis should have been in on the Loktionov deal, he has shot up the NJ depth chart extremely quickly and would have been a great stop gap for our 2nd line.



Actually no..... because if Henrik or Kesler gets hurt the team is fucked and as we've seen one of the shittier clubs in the league. Does 5 - 6- 4 ring a bell ??. Furthermore they can't score goals to save their life and the PP sucks. They are short a RH and -man and have 2 1/2 elite forwards. The good teams have 4 or 5 elite forwards. You are right in that they are lacking a 3rd line centre but they are also lacking another stud up fron that can play the middle in the event of injuries and a solid 4/5 D man who shoots right handed. They need a serious makeover. I'm not sure if Eye Bags is up to the task.

As an asside I wonder how all the meat puppets on hf boards who post all their drivel then hide behind the mods would do where they don't have a constant bodyguard. That place is worse than CDC and that says a lot.


Kesler IS what makes our PP tick, not to mention our #2C not to mention our Selke winner. He IS a big deal and the team suffers when he is out just like most teams suffer when their #2 dominating centre is out. Kesler adds an entire new wrinkle to defending against the Canucks and their powerplay. That and a #3C addition would make this team FINE as I said it would. We could add another RH dman but we already have so much committed to the back end we cannot add more defensemen AND scoring depth especially in this extremely thin market we are seeing right now. Unless you want to trade for ANOTHER Florida player (Matthias?) or hugely overpay we have no choice but to wait out this painful period or hope on a wing and a prayer that Gillis can pull off another Ehrhoff style deal.

LA and St. Louis got extremely lucky that other teams paid a premium for the Johnson brothers, and coincidentally both teams that offloaded them are in the playoffs whereas the teams that acquired them are still out of contention.

I as much as anyone wish that Brown would mix up the fucking PP but the lack of practice time is killing the team. The Sedins thrive on set plays and I as much as anyone wish they had drawn some up while they were screwing around at UBC during the lockout. Not involving Garrison on the 5 on 3 is borderline criminal, I know he doesn't know the teams "plays" yet but surely they could set him up for a 5 on 3 shot. Jensen will not be our PP savior either, if Garrison is not being used because he does not know the plays then there is no way they'll try Jensen IMO.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:09 pm

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8 goals in the Stanley Cup Final in 7 games... This team struggled to score down the stretch last yr and into the post season and not much has changed this yr... The last thing this team needs is a deadline deal this isn't a good hockey club and it hasn't been for awhile now...


Paddy, don't you know? It was Lou's fault why we lost not because we only scored 8 goals in 7 games. *sarcasm*

We are middle of the pack in goals for, 15th I believe. That don't win you hockey a lot of hockey games and our goalies can only do so much. When you have $4.5 million forwards who can only get you an empty net goal in 11 games that says something.

Our PP is fucking awful, it has been since the last half of last season in which, in that half, the Canucks had the worst PP in the entire league. As we can see, that trend continues as well as the trend of 'WE CAN'T SCORE"!

But hey, Gillis is a genius! He gave us that impression at his press conference hiring.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:19 pm

RoyalDude wrote:What Gillis needs to do is figure out how to pull off a trade like the Blues did in acquiring Stewart, Shattenkirk, and a draft pick that was used to draft Ty Rattie for 1st overall pick bust Eric Johnson and McClement.

This club is too stale and too predictable, Gillis has taken this core group past their prime. Time to shake the tree.


I agree although even at the time of the trade everyone was lamenting how one sided it was in the Blues favour.

Not sure what has happened to Edlers confidence but I'm wondering why his game has gone over the cliff.

How about this for a redonkulous trade proposal...

To Buffalo:
Edler
Hansen

To VCR:
Tyler Myers
Steve Ott

Sorts out our right to left handed d-man issues. Edlers offensive upside is countered by Myers physical attributes and ability to eliminate bigger forwards. Myers has also shown some offence in his 1st 2 years before an Edler-like regression. I suspect his problems are coaching related(which doesn't reflect well on the Ruff-fluffers around here)
Ott for Hansen is a wash as well as it helps both teams with organizational weaknesses. Ott is more expensive but brings more to the table.

Cap issues can be Gillmaned I'm sure if need be
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Arachnid » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:21 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
paddy wrote:
8 goals in the Stanley Cup Final in 7 games... This team struggled to score down the stretch last yr and into the post season and not much has changed this yr... The last thing this team needs is a deadline deal this isn't a good hockey club and it hasn't been for awhile now...


Paddy, don't you know? It was Lou's fault why we lost not because we only scored 8 goals in 7 games. *sarcasm*

We are middle of the pack in goals for, 15th I believe. That don't win you hockey a lot of hockey games and our goalies can only do so much. When you have $4.5 million forwards who can only get you an empty net goal in 11 games that says something.

Our PP is fucking awful, it has been since the last half of last season in which, in that half, the Canucks had the worst PP in the entire league. As we can see, that trend continues as well as the trend of 'WE CAN'T SCORE"!

But hey, Gillis is a genius! He gave us that impression at his press conference hiring.


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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:35 pm

You're a well read man, Arachnid, a real debonair. *sarcasm*
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Canuck-One » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:50 pm

[/quote]

UDL's trade idea
How about this for a redonkulous trade proposal...

To Buffalo:
Edler
Hansen

To VCR:
Tyler Myers
Steve Ott


Cap issues can be Gillmaned I'm sure if need be[/quote]

No way that sees the light of day.

Edler > Myers
Hansen > Ott

Myers cap hit is outrageous and on top of it all he hasn't played up to expectations. Edler too has taken a step back but not so far as to not be worth what he earns (see Myers) and he is only going to get better.Ott is just a cement head who can't play anywhere as good as Hansen. There was a time when Ott's brand of hockey was needed here but that time has passed. We have Sestito, Kassian, Weiss, Lapierre and Pinizzotto who are more than capable of taking care of the physical game without Ott's penchant for dumb penalties.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Canuck-One » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:04 am

It sounds like Ribero is on the block. Washington needs a goalie and we just happen to have two good ones.

To Washington

Schneider/Luongo pick one
Vancouvers 1st & 3rd

To Vancouver

Mike Ribiero
John Carlson
Washington's 1st
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