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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Mondi » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:11 pm

Strangelove wrote:Now lemmee get this straight Mondi, RD.

The 2 who spew nothing but vile towards Booth figure by adding a spare part he'd bring back Gaborik or Dubinsky?? :shock:



Gaborik's 31. He's expensive. He's having a bad year. And so are the Rangers.

Raymond and Booth are younger, cheaper (individually) and may even score more points than Gaborik (when put together).

Booth sucks, but he at least has some upside.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:11 am

Mondi wrote:Booth sucks, but he at least has some upside.


:cheers: :wave: :rofl: :towel: :rockin: :lol: :D awesome
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Strangelove » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:52 am

Mondi wrote:Booth sucks, but he at least has some upside.


:cheers: :wave: :rofl: :towel: :rockin: :lol: :D awesome
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Reefer2 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:53 am

Anyone want to bet me that 1 hour after trade deadline day MG does nothing to improve this team. At the same time trade deadline day is usually pretty stupid with GM asking high prices for scrubs. If MG wants to do something he needs to be working the phone now and not on trade deadline day.

I have accepted that in the new NHL and with parity trade deadline day is no longer exciting or does much to improve a team unless you give up a lot. Trade deadline day is more about TSN/SportsNet selling commercials.

Edit - I want to say that the reason I don't think MG can do anything on TDD is that the asking price is too high and he needs to make changes now (if he can). This is no attack on him as I said earlier he has 1 more season to do what is needed. I did believe he should of went after a C in the off season regardless of Kesler coming back or not or when since Kesler has a history of being injured and insurance was needed.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Hockey Widow » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:08 pm

Reefer2 wrote:Anyone want to bet me that 1 hour after trade deadline day MG does nothing to improve this team. At the same time trade deadline day is usually pretty stupid with GM asking high prices for scrubs. If MG wants to do something he needs to be working the phone now and not on trade deadline day.

I have accepted that in the new NHL and with parity trade deadline day is no longer exciting or does much to improve a team unless you give up a lot. Trade deadline day is more about TSN/SportsNet selling commercials.

Edit - I want to say that the reason I don't think MG can do anything on TDD is that the asking price is too high and he needs to make changes now (if he can). This is no attack on him as I said earlier he has 1 more season to do what is needed. I did believe he should of went after a C in the off season regardless of Kesler coming back or not or when since Kesler has a history of being injured and insurance was needed.



Well, according to some media reports he has been in touch with the other 29 GM's at least once each, in some cases more, trying to get a centre. I'd say he is trying but there is very little movement right now and the asking price is too high. He may be willing to pay the price as time moves on but right now I'd think it would be safe to assume he is trying.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Larry Goodenough » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:10 pm

Reefer2 wrote:Anyone want to bet me that 1 hour after trade deadline day MG does nothing to improve this team. At the same time trade deadline day is usually pretty stupid with GM asking high prices for scrubs. If MG wants to do something he needs to be working the phone now and not on trade deadline day.

I have accepted that in the new NHL and with parity trade deadline day is no longer exciting or does much to improve a team unless you give up a lot. Trade deadline day is more about TSN/SportsNet selling commercials.

Edit - I want to say that the reason I don't think MG can do anything on TDD is that the asking price is too high and he needs to make changes now (if he can). This is no attack on him as I said earlier he has 1 more season to do what is needed. I did believe he should of went after a C in the off season regardless of Kesler coming back or not or when since Kesler has a history of being injured and insurance was needed.


If other GMs are making some changes now or at the deadline, then their might be some reason to question Gillis.

However, thus far, a well respected and successful GM like Holland has yet to make any significant moves since the summer to address his defence. A very reactionary GM in Holmgren is drowning and has not made any moves. McPhee is just sitting there while his team slides. Yzerman made a goalie move and then nothing while his team sits with only 2 teams below him. Regier was forced to fire his buddy and is under alot of pressure, but hasn't made a move. Murray lost his best forward and d-man and has stood pat.

There is just nothing going on anywhere.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Hockey Widow » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:22 pm

The Conferences are so tight that too many teams are still in the race or believe they are. Not many sellers yet.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Reefer2 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:46 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:The Conferences are so tight that too many teams are still in the race or believe they are. Not many sellers yet.


This is one reason why I don't like the loser point. It used to be fun watching trades, now they are so rare with almost all teams in the playoff hunt. I know that it is good for tickets sales but sucks for the rest of us.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:11 pm

Reefer2 wrote: I know that it is good for tickets sales but sucks for the rest of us.


Then cough up and buy some fucking tickets Reef.

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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby dbr » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:35 am

There is only one seller right now and all their merchandise is broken..
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby The_Pauser » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:32 am

I think the best move may be to get ahead of the curve. Slightly undercut those prices by moving Raymond, Higgins, and anyone else deemed expendable. Then use those assets with other prospects/picks we already have to upgrade on those players OR recognize this team isn't any good and use this short season as a retooling opportunity.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:37 am

The_Pauser wrote:I think the best move may be to get ahead of the curve. Slightly undercut those prices by moving Raymond, Higgins, and anyone else deemed expendable. Then use those assets with other prospects/picks we already have to upgrade on those players OR recognize this team isn't any good and use this short season as a retooling opportunity.


You do realize that Higgins and Raymond are pending UFA's and would be considered rentals for playoff bound teams whose returns on the open market would not be very good? You might as well take any team not contending for the playoffs and rebuilding off the list of potentials for acquiring Higgins and Raymond.

And so because of that, trading Raymond and Higgins, since the returns would be shite, would signal that the Canucks are canning the season and going on a fire sale. Not happening.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby The_Pauser » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:08 am

RoyalDude wrote:
The_Pauser wrote:I think the best move may be to get ahead of the curve. Slightly undercut those prices by moving Raymond, Higgins, and anyone else deemed expendable. Then use those assets with other prospects/picks we already have to upgrade on those players OR recognize this team isn't any good and use this short season as a retooling opportunity.


You do realize that Higgins and Raymond are pending UFA's and would be considered rentals for playoff bound teams whose returns on the open market would not be very good? You might as well take any team not contending for the playoffs and rebuilding off the list of potentials for acquiring Higgins and Raymond.

And so because of that, trading Raymond and Higgins, since the returns would be shite, would signal that the Canucks are canning the season and going on a fire sale. Not happening.


Why would the returns for our pending UFA's be different from the returns for other teams pending UFA's? It seems like the price to rent these types of players is a 1st round pick, so why couldn't we get that in return?

Honestly I would rather mail it in this season, acquire some picks and prospects for these guys, than to trade away picks and prospects to pick up a bottom 6 rental and lose in the first round anyways. That's how you become the Calgary Flames, and this team has headed down that road since the end of last season.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:25 am

The_Pauser wrote:
Why would the returns for our pending UFA's be different from the returns for other teams pending UFA's? It seems like the price to rent these types of players is a 1st round pick, so why couldn't we get that in return?

Honestly I would rather mail it in this season, acquire some picks and prospects for these guys, than to trade away picks and prospects to pick up a bottom 6 rental and lose in the first round anyways. That's how you become the Calgary Flames, and this team has headed down that road since the end of last season.


I'm just saying that when trading up coming UFA's at the deadline, unless you are talking Jerome Iginla types, you ain't getting much in return. We are talking Raymond and Higgins, and you certainly are not getting 1st round picks for them let alone 2nd round picks. I totally agree with your Calgary Flames nod to our management. I've been saying for awhile that Gillis is gonna manage this team into the new Flames if he isn't careful, he already has IMO. Get a bunch of cast offs and surround the Sedins with them, same thing Iginla has been getting in Calgary.

I just don't think Gillis is the visionary to mail it in this year and build for next season and the seasons after which is why this team is on its way to becoming the future mediocre Flames for the next 5 years. The terrible drafting and developing over Gillis tenure is eerily similar to that of the Flames.

There ain't a GM out there that is willing to blow up a chunk of their futures to acquire a 34 year old Luongo with that contract. The fact that Gillis does not seem to understand this is beyond me. Gillis and AV mishandled the Luo/Schneider situation last season. We should be trading Schneider for the simple reason only, that he is highly more marketable on the trade market.
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Re: what has to happen to get the ship on course?

Postby The_Pauser » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:34 am

RoyalDude wrote:
I'm just saying that when trading up coming UFA's at the deadline, unless you are talking Jerome Iginla types, you ain't getting much in return. We are talking Raymond and Higgins, and you certainly are not getting 1st round picks for them let alone 2nd round picks. I totally agree with your Calgary Flames nod to our management. I've been saying for awhile that Gillis is gonna manage this team into the new Flames if he isn't careful, he already has IMO. Get a bunch of cast offs and surround the Sedins with them, same thing Iginla has been getting in Calgary.

I just don't think Gillis is the visionary to mail it in this year and build for next season and the seasons after which is why this team is on its way to becoming the future mediocre Flames for the next 5 years. The terrible drafting and developing over Gillis tenure is eerily similar to that of the Flames.

There ain't a GM out there that is willing to blow up a chunk of their futures to acquire a 34 year old Luongo with that contract. The fact that Gillis does not seem to understand this is beyond me. Gillis and AV mishandled the Luo/Schneider situation last season. We should be trading Schneider for the simple reason only, that he is highly more marketable on the trade market.


Do you consider Paul Guastad a Jarome Iginla type? Because last year he returned a 1st round pick. Johnny Oduya brought back a 2nd and a 3rd. Andrei Kostitsyn brought back a 2nd round pick. I don't think these players are significantly better than Raymond and Higgins at all. Hell, Dominic Moore even brought back a 2nd round pick.

Aside from that I agree with everything else you posted.
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