GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

This forum is to discuss game day happenings. New threads will be posted for each game.

Moderator: Referees

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Meds » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:58 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
rats19 wrote:when that shit happens with the same team it is coaching in my opinion...alot of other opinions also..cept dude ...he say you do what you can with what ya get given & that is a point too, but not the big one in this case... the coaching , especially the special teams coaching..sucks..

PS: heading to arizona in a couple hours...cant fight back so be nice... look for RATS19 at the nucks/yotes game..its on my jersey I will turn my back to the camera...


Hey Rats, AV is at fault sure, but dude, seriously, Gillis really needs to do his fucking part as well. It surprises me that you don't see any fault in his work to date.

BTW, enjoy the desert ya snowbird.


Outta curiousity RD, if Booth and Ballard are such horrible contracts, who exactly is Gillis supposed to pawn them off on? If it is so obvious that they are terribly overpaid for what they bring, don't you think 29 other GM's in the league know this too? I think that would make them pretty hard to move.....at this point you are better off sticking with them and hoping they turn dogshit into gold bricks, and if they don't you trade them for whatever you can get on draft day.

Moving contracts like theirs is going to be very difficult for the next year or two anyhow as teams adjust their rosters to get under the reduced salary cap. It may be that some of their struggles are due to the coaching and system that Vigneault runs in Vancouver, and in that case a fresh start somewhere else might work for them and they produce for a different coach. Who knows. But in this market that is not a risk many GM's are going to want to take when it comes to a couple of guys making top 6 and top 3 cash but producing like bottom 6 and bottom pairing players.

So Gillis brought on some big contracts that are flopping right now. I'm sure he recognizes this......but what do you want him to do about it? Waive them? If they got scooped for nothing you'd be all over his ass for losing assets and getting zero return.

The market isn't returning anything worthwhile on Luongo, and nobody wants to see Gillis just give him away for a rental or some lowball return. $4M contracts are going to be tough to move when the player isn't putting up numbers. So as far as roster moves go he is in something of a jam.

The only move Gillis can really make right now is to fire AV and his staff and bring on someone like Ruff.....and to be honest the time is right for this. There are still 23 games left to play, the Canucks probably only need to win 13 or 14 of them in order to get into the playoffs, and the talent and experience is there in the room to pull that off even with the bumpy adjustment period that a coaching change brings. I don't think Gillis could find a better opportunity than right now when a coach of Ruff's pedigree is sitting on the sidelines and has already said he wants to coach again.

Some might see that as a futile gesture or move or whatever, some think that the coaching staff is fine and not to blame, but when you get your ass handed to you and you don't push back, and then come back the next year and do the exact same thing.....there is a problem. Esepcially when you can go back 12+ months to the last game the Canucks played with any real form of intensity. It's either coaching or team, and if it's team it means massive changes are required, and that means blow up the core. If it is coaching, then this is the best time to do that. LA changed coaches last year.....went from bottom feeder to Cup winner.
User avatar
Meds
CC Legend
 
Posts: 3182
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:50 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Diehard1 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:14 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Diehard1 wrote:I agree, it would have been very easy for Gillis to pick up a Getzlaf here and an O'Reilly there, both were available on the cheap and we have lots of cap room for them. It should have been easy to grab one if not both, Gillis is asleep at the switch.


The gyst of my foolishness here Diehard my good man, is that with everyone recognizing the importance of centre depth recently, I bring these two fabled hockey legends up because they took a massive beating around these boards of late as if they were a couple of up to know good hockey bums. Centre's make big money cause???


I think we'd all love to have O'Reilly and/or Getzlaf in Canuck colours but it just isn't feasible, never has been and likely never will be. It's simply an odd thing to bring up regardless of how much money they make or how great they would be here - it was never going to happen.

I am in agreement that another center is needed, and needed badly. I'm sure Gillis realizes this too but he's known it for a long time, it's time to shit or get off the pot when it comes to bringing in another guy to play the middle.
Diehard1
CC 1st Team All-Star
 
Posts: 560
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:48 am

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Strangelove » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:49 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:
rats19 wrote:Closed door, player only meeting Saturday . Now the season can start..
4-2 canucks


Maybe they concocted a plan on how to lose the coach.... we can only hope.


THIS
____
"I like to think that this team can get its mojo back" - Ryan Miller
User avatar
Strangelove
CC Legend
 
Posts: 7163
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Strangelove » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:51 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:Fuck the Dude must think he's died and gone to heaven...it's like a CC sleepover at the Dudes house and everybody gets to piss on his bed...synchronized bed pissing


It's a pissing extravaganza!!
____
"I like to think that this team can get its mojo back" - Ryan Miller
User avatar
Strangelove
CC Legend
 
Posts: 7163
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Strangelove » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:54 pm

RoyalDude wrote:these two fantastically gifted young centres (Getzlaf & O'Reilly) took a massive pounding from the likes of you on these boards over the last while, basically calling them bums.


Jovocop, is it true, did you really call Getzlaf & O'Reilly BUMS??!!

.... or is this just a WOPPER?

RoyalDude wrote:I bring these two fabled hockey legends up because they took a massive beating around these boards of late as if they were a couple of up to know good hockey bums.


Wait... so most Cornerites think Getzlaf & O'Reilly are BUMS??!!

If true, YOU would be a hockey genius in comparison!! :thumbs:
____
"I like to think that this team can get its mojo back" - Ryan Miller
User avatar
Strangelove
CC Legend
 
Posts: 7163
Joined: Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:13 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Tiger » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:42 am

Meds said:
So Gillis brought on some big contracts that are flopping right now. I'm sure he recognizes this......but what do you want him to do about it? Waive them? If they got scooped for nothing you'd be all over his ass for losing assets and getting zero return.

The market isn't returning anything worthwhile on Luongo, and nobody wants to see Gillis just give him away for a rental or some lowball return. $4M contracts are going to be tough to move when the player isn't putting up numbers. So as far as roster moves go he is in something of a jam.

The only move Gillis can really make right now is to fire AV and his staff and bring on someone like Ruff.....and to be honest the time is right for this. There are still 23 games left to play, the Canucks probably only need to win 13 or 14 of them in order to get into the playoffs, and the talent and experience is there in the room to pull that off even with the bumpy adjustment period that a coaching change brings. I don't think Gillis could find a better opportunity than right now when a coach of Ruff's pedigree is sitting on the sidelines and has already said he wants to coach again.


duh huh.. Gilles screws up so we fire the coach.. and still have 15 million tied up in 3 contracts he has had ample time to deal with. Agree its over a year since the Canucks have been an "Elite" team.. They haven't been that since last years allstar break..
He used the term BOLD MOVE.. but it was Minnesota that made the BOLD MOVE and won the game with Parise and Sutter.. not Gilles who has had ample time to address the problems ..The amount of $$ tied up in Lou,Ballard and Booth is close to the 16 million Minnesota paid fot those 2..
Maybe Aquaman will make the BOLD MOVE and fire Gilles?
" If you cant beat them in the alley - you can't beat them on the ice
User avatar
Tiger
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 1044
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:09 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby okcanuck » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:49 am

If the nucks lose tonight AV is gone.
User avatar
okcanuck
CC 2nd Team All-Star
 
Posts: 489
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:11 am
Location: Bestwank,BC

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby sagebrush » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:03 am

On the other hand...

Expect Luongo to play tonight against the Jackets.

He may be ready to prove something again. In spite of playing for a goof who thinks it's funny when his players are in difficult circumstances.

If Luongo gets on another roll, he could force Gillis' hand, and the dominoes begin to fall.
User avatar
sagebrush
CC 1st Team All-Star
 
Posts: 765
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:36 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Reefer2 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:07 am

okcanuck wrote:If the nucks lose tonight AV is gone.


Don't think so, MG is arrogant to admit a mistake. Seems to be part of being a GM of a sports team.
User avatar
Reefer2
CC 1st Team All-Star
 
Posts: 981
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:47 am

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Jovocop » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:39 am

Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:these two fantastically gifted young centres (Getzlaf & O'Reilly) took a massive pounding from the likes of you on these boards over the last while, basically calling them bums.


Jovocop, is it true, did you really call Getzlaf & O'Reilly BUMS??!!

.... or is this just a WOPPER?

If true, YOU would be a hockey genius in comparison!! :thumbs:


Nope, I just don't think their contracts are good, not so much about the $ but the terms. 8 years for a 27 years old PHYISCAL power forwards is just too long. However, to RD, if he does not like a contract, the player must be a bum (Booth, Ballard, Luongo)
User avatar
Jovocop
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 1712
Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:18 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby vic » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:20 pm

Tiger wrote:duh huh.. Gilles screws up so we fire the coach.. and still have 15 million tied up in 3 contracts he has had ample time to deal with. Agree its over a year since the Canucks have been an "Elite" team.. They haven't been that since last years allstar break..
He used the term BOLD MOVE.. but it was Minnesota that made the BOLD MOVE and won the game with Parise and Sutter.. not Gilles who has had ample time to address the problems ..The amount of $$ tied up in Lou,Ballard and Booth is close to the 16 million Minnesota paid fot those 2..
Maybe Aquaman will make the BOLD MOVE and fire Gilles?


You are delusional if you think Gillis made any of those moves without consulting AV on what he thought of the player(s) coming back or signing. My bet is that AV was jumping for joy when Samuellson (sp?) was traded away for Booth, and when Grabner was traded away for Ballard.

The Canucks can win with Lou in net - the inept coaching staff doesn't know what to do with their skaters to make it happen.
User avatar
vic
CC 2nd Team All-Star
 
Posts: 415
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:29 pm

Re: GDT - Canucks go Wild in MinneSnowta. 5pm -Snet-P

Postby Per » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:29 pm

Strangelove wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:I bring these two fabled hockey legends up because they took a massive beating around these boards of late as if they were a couple of up to know good hockey bums.


Wait... so most Cornerites think Getzlaf & O'Reilly are BUMS??!!

If true, YOU would be a hockey genius in comparison!! :thumbs:


Oh, but they're not just any bums. They're bums that know good hockey. :lol:
User avatar
Per
CC Hall of Fan Member
 
Posts: 1774
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:45 am

Previous

Return to Game Day Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 2 guests