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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:48 pm

The Blues continue to struggle in the nets, lost 4-1 tonight. Elliott continues to crap the bed. They have the 2nd worst GA in the Western Conference. They are one of those team where an injection of quality goaltending could make them a Stanley Cup contender. I see a good fit, that is, if they were in the Eastern Conference. But there were rumors earlier of a possible Chicago deal, so why can't a Lou to St Lou deal be possible?
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:15 pm

RoyalDude wrote:The Blues continue to struggle in the nets, lost 4-1 tonight. Elliott continues to crap the bed. They have the 2nd worst GA in the Western Conference. They are one of those team where an injection of quality goaltending could make them a Stanley Cup contender. I see a good fit, that is, if they were in the Eastern Conference. But there were rumors earlier of a possible Chicago deal, so why can't a Lou to St Lou deal be possible?


Probably for the same reason Lou won't be suiting up for the Blackhawks. It's probably better to have Lou on our bench, and Dave Bolland on the Hawks, than the other way around...

Washington is the worst team in the East. Florida is 13th. Toronto is 4th. Reimer's injury may not be serious (according to Carlyle) but who knows if that's true. Luongo gets that team in the playoffs, and might do it on home ice. It should be noted they are doing this WITHOUT Reilly and Gardiner. So, we trade Luongo to the Leafs, they don't lose anything off their current roster, and improve drastically in goal. We get a guy that will most certainly be a cornerstone for a long time, and won't have to face Lou this season (unless its a TO-Van final...)

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:48 pm

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RoyalDude wrote:The Blues continue to struggle in the nets, lost 4-1 tonight. Elliott continues to crap the bed. They have the 2nd worst GA in the Western Conference. They are one of those team where an injection of quality goaltending could make them a Stanley Cup contender. I see a good fit, that is, if they were in the Eastern Conference. But there were rumors earlier of a possible Chicago deal, so why can't a Lou to St Lou deal be possible?


Probably for the same reason Lou won't be suiting up for the Blackhawks. It's probably better to have Lou on our bench, and Dave Bolland on the Hawks, than the other way around...

Washington is the worst team in the East. Florida is 13th. Toronto is 4th. Reimer's injury may not be serious (according to Carlyle) but who knows if that's true. Luongo gets that team in the playoffs, and might do it on home ice. It should be noted they are doing this WITHOUT Reilly and Gardiner. So, we trade Luongo to the Leafs, they don't lose anything off their current roster, and improve drastically in goal. We get a guy that will most certainly be a cornerstone for a long time, and won't have to face Lou this season (unless its a TO-Van final...)

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Care to dream?

I understand that it's St Louis, Western Conference, and Lou most likely would not waive to go there but that aside, they are probably the best fit for Lou. They are well under the cap, both their goalies are free agents in a year and are playing like shit in the net, Good club at forward and defence, that could challenge now if they upgraded in net. Hitch loves his goalies, defence first coach, knows Lou. It's a perfect fit

Lou is not going to Florida. He wants to but it isn't a good fit. Lou is not going to play for a lottery pick team in rebuild mode outside of Florida. Washington is the best fit for Lou in the east. I don't believe that Nonis wants Lou, not at the price Gillis is asking
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:56 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:The Blues continue to struggle in the nets, lost 4-1 tonight. Elliott continues to crap the bed. They have the 2nd worst GA in the Western Conference. They are one of those team where an injection of quality goaltending could make them a Stanley Cup contender. I see a good fit, that is, if they were in the Eastern Conference. But there were rumors earlier of a possible Chicago deal, so why can't a Lou to St Lou deal be possible?


Probably for the same reason Lou won't be suiting up for the Blackhawks. It's probably better to have Lou on our bench, and Dave Bolland on the Hawks, than the other way around...

Washington is the worst team in the East. Florida is 13th. Toronto is 4th. Reimer's injury may not be serious (according to Carlyle) but who knows if that's true. Luongo gets that team in the playoffs, and might do it on home ice. It should be noted they are doing this WITHOUT Reilly and Gardiner. So, we trade Luongo to the Leafs, they don't lose anything off their current roster, and improve drastically in goal. We get a guy that will most certainly be a cornerstone for a long time, and won't have to face Lou this season (unless its a TO-Van final...)

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Care to dream?

I understand that it's St Louis, Western Conference, and Lou most likely would not waive to go there but that aside, they are probably the best fit for Lou. They are well under the cap, both their goalies are free agents in a year and are playing like shit in the net, Good club at forward and defence, that could challenge now if they upgraded in net. Hitch loves his goalies, defence first coach, knows Lou. It's a perfect fit

Western conference rivals, Luongo wont waive his NTC, thats two great big hairy black flies in your perfect ointment there...

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Aaronp18 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:21 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Care to dream?


I guess its safe to assume you're allowed to dream but nobody else is?

Just so we're all clear on this schtick of yours.

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:28 pm

ukcanuck wrote:Western conference rivals, Luongo wont waive his NTC,


Do you like repeating after me, schmuck?
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:29 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Care to dream?


I guess its safe to assume you're allowed to dream but nobody else is?

Just so we're all clear on this schtick of yours.

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:35 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Care to dream?


I prefer dreams to nightmares...

I'm sure Lou would love to go to a team with a chance to win (ie: Chicago rumours). But why the hell would we help him do that, when it could come at our expense in round 2 or 3 (or 1?) of the playoffs? If he's going to St Louis, I'll take Tarasenko. If he's going to Chicago I'll take Marian Hossa+

If it's not a deal blowing MG out of the water, he shouldn't deal Luongo to a team that could end his employment.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:39 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:Care to dream?


I prefer dreams to nightmares...

I'm sure Lou would love to go to a team with a chance to win (ie: Chicago rumours). But why the hell would we help him do that, when it could come at our expense in round 2 or 3 (or 1?) of the playoffs? If he's going to St Louis, I'll take Tarasenko. If he's going to Chicago I'll take Marian Hossa+

If it's not a deal blowing MG out of the water, he shouldn't deal Luongo to a team that could end his employment.


Outside of Washington, there really isn't a good fit for a team to take Lou in the East, and I don't think McPhee is all that interested in Luongo. Nonis will not break the bank for Lou. Seems to be better trading partners in the western conference, but yeah, that ain't happening either.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Island Nucklehead » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:15 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Outside of Washington, there really isn't a good fit for a team to take Lou in the East, and I don't think McPhee is all that interested in Luongo. Nonis will not break the bank for Lou. Seems to be better trading partners in the western conference, but yeah, that ain't happening either.


I agree. A team in the West will pay more for him. But Luongo is the best player being traded, so I'd rather buy whatever we get back a year or two to develop. Facing Lou in the playoffs this year scares the shit out of me. I'd rather keep both of them with the cap being high this year.

Luongo NOT playing for St Lou or Chicago has value to us this year.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Diehard1 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:41 am

RoyalDude wrote:The Blues continue to struggle in the nets, lost 4-1 tonight. Elliott continues to crap the bed. They have the 2nd worst GA in the Western Conference. They are one of those team where an injection of quality goaltending could make them a Stanley Cup contender. I see a good fit, that is, if they were in the Eastern Conference. But there were rumors earlier of a possible Chicago deal, so why can't a Lou to St Lou deal be possible?


Because St. Loo is for sale and the team is close to being bankrupt? No chance he goes to St. Loo.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:34 pm

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RoyalDude wrote:The Blues continue to struggle in the nets, lost 4-1 tonight. Elliott continues to crap the bed. They have the 2nd worst GA in the Western Conference. They are one of those team where an injection of quality goaltending could make them a Stanley Cup contender. I see a good fit, that is, if they were in the Eastern Conference. But there were rumors earlier of a possible Chicago deal, so why can't a Lou to St Lou deal be possible?


Because St. Loo is for sale and the team is close to being bankrupt? No chance he goes to St. Loo.


Um, both Halak and Elliotts contracts come to an end after the 2013-2014 season. Halak will make 4.5 million this year and next year (last year of contract) with a cap hit of 3,750,000 million. Elliott will make 1.9 million this year and next year (last year of contract) with a cap hit of 1,800,000 million. They package Halak as part of a Lou trade, Elliott is gone after next year, just how the fuck is Luongo's $6.7 million (5.3 million cap hit) so terribly hard for the Blues to deal with after Elliott and Halak are out of the picture? Holy c(r)ow batman! Both Halak's and Elliotts contracts amount to the same as Luongo. Throw a cheapo back up behind Lou in St Lou, it becomes pretty much a hair bit more in price than the combo of Halak and Elliott. Totally do-able, ya schnauzer.

Even if they decide to keep Elliott as a back up in which everybody knows they won't cause he sucks, that is unless he takes a serious hair cut like he should. Luongo's contract is only 2 million more than Halak's? Is that breaking the fucking bank? duh, no. For only 2 million they get a seriously good upgrade in nets. How is that not good business?

Andy MacDonald makes $4.7 million, he is off the books next year as he is a UFA this summer. His replacements? Rookies - Schwartz and/or Rattie.

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby JelloPuddingPop » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:07 pm

I think his point was that Halak is due 8.75 millon and Lou is due ~ 47 million (I know this year is pro-rated for both, but for argument's sake).

That is large amount of dollar value to commit for an organization that is not on the "making money" list. They got rid of a great hockey mind in Davidson, just to save a bit. The likelihood of taking on this type of contract is slim to none.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby dbr » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:34 pm

The Blues are chronic money losers, according to Forbes (I know) to the tune of about $10m a year.

I don't think "just give up young cheap players in order to spend another 30% on your goaltender" is going to sound very persuasive to that franchise.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Meds » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:11 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Um, both Halak and Elliotts contracts come to an end after the 2013-2014 season. Halak will make 4.5 million this year and next year (last year of contract) with a cap hit of 3,750,000 million. Elliott will make 1.9 million this year and next year (last year of contract) with a cap hit of 1,800,000 million. They package Halak as part of a Lou trade, Elliott is gone after next year, just how the fuck is Luongo's $6.7 million (5.3 million cap hit) so terribly hard for the Blues to deal with after Elliott and Halak are out of the picture? Holy c(r)ow batman! Both Halak's and Elliotts contracts amount to the same as Luongo. Throw a cheapo back up behind Lou in St Lou, it becomes pretty much a hair bit more in price than the combo of Halak and Elliott. Totally do-able, ya schnauzer.

Even if they decide to keep Elliott as a back up in which everybody knows they won't cause he sucks, that is unless he takes a serious hair cut like he should. Luongo's contract is only 2 million more than Halak's? Is that breaking the fucking bank? duh, no. For only 2 million they get a seriously good upgrade in nets. How is that not good business?

Andy MacDonald makes $4.7 million, he is off the books next year as he is a UFA this summer. His replacements? Rookies - Schwartz and/or Rattie.

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How's about this RD.....

Andy McDonald
Chris Steward
Patrick Berglund
Jamie Langenbrunner
Matt D'Agostini
Alex Pietrangelo
Kevin Shattenkirk
Ian Cole
Kris Russell

That's the list of players on St. Louis who will be UFA/RFA next year.

Stewart, Pietrangelo, and Shattenkirk, will all be getting raises, the latter pair likely substantial ones. I expect them both to be close to Edler's pay scale. Stewart will probably only go up about $500K, though it is conceivable he could get an offer for a bit more.....on the other hand, considering the market with the new cap he might take a haircut too.

They have at least 5 forward spots to fill and 4 holes on the blueline come July. Add in the fact that they will have a couple more holes to fill in planning ahead to 2014, and factor all of that in with the fact that they are a tight budget team and you see why Luongo doesn't fit there with his salary.

On top of all of that, the Canucks need to shed a bit of cap space in a deal that sends out Lou. They can't just dump him for some low salary prospects and a mid salary youngster, as that's not a possibility (at least not likely). Failing that they are going to want something worthwhile if it means taking back any think significant capwise. So absorbing a contract like Halak's isn't something that Gillis is going to want to consider at this point. In fact, given Halak's up and down nature, I don't think many teams will want to take him off of St. Louis' hands for anything worthwhile. Elliot's contract is indeed a bit more manageable for a potential trading partner with St. Louis. $1.9M isn't a terrible buyout if it comes down to that.

But there are plent of reasons why St. Louis isn't a destination for Luongo. One more would be that given their salary restrictions and upcoming RFA/UFA situation, they may not be a contending team, even with Luongo, come next season. So in that case Lou might not be willing to waive his NTC to go there.
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