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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby okcanuck » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:21 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
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Luongo + Schroeder for Weiss + Shore + Clemmenson <-- Good top 6 center rental and a 3rd line center who can help now and way into the future for top 6 center duties.


We ain't dealing with the Panthers, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. It makes no sense to trade Luongo at this age and contract to a team at the current state they are in. It's not a fit for Luongo, it's not a fit for Tallon and it's certainly not a fit for the owners there.

Luongo will be 34 in April, Gillimiblicle waits to trade him this off-season, he will turn 35 in the first year of his new team. The longer this goes on the less valuable his asset becomes. It's simple math. TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN!


Why the hurry in trading Luongo if at all. We have probably the best goalie tandem in the league and when Luongo finally has a bad game or two put Sneids back in and visa-versa. Contrary to what you might think Gillis knows what hes doing. Thank Christ you're not running the show.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:24 pm

TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN, in the off season. Trade him now for parts that make us better.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:27 pm

okcanuck wrote:
RoyalDude wrote:
SKYO wrote:
Luongo + Schroeder for Weiss + Shore + Clemmenson <-- Good top 6 center rental and a 3rd line center who can help now and way into the future for top 6 center duties.


We ain't dealing with the Panthers, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. It makes no sense to trade Luongo at this age and contract to a team at the current state they are in. It's not a fit for Luongo, it's not a fit for Tallon and it's certainly not a fit for the owners there.

Luongo will be 34 in April, Gillimiblicle waits to trade him this off-season, he will turn 35 in the first year of his new team. The longer this goes on the less valuable his asset becomes. It's simple math. TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN!


Why the hurry in trading Luongo if at all. We have probably the best goalie tandem in the league and when Luongo finally has a bad game or two put Sneids back in and visa-versa. Contrary to what you might think Gillis knows what hes doing. Thank Christ you're not running the show.


Listen OKilee Dokilee, you can't have these two goalies at their salaries around past this season, keeping both for the season is fine and dandy, but to think that Gillis can swing a better deal the longer this goes on, especially this coming off-season ain't happening. Gillis needs to trade him pretty quickly here. Other GM's know that Gillis won't be able to lolligag next summer as he will have to clear the books of him.

The bottom line is, we should be keeping Luongo and we should be trying to trade Schneider.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:28 pm

Hockey Widow wrote:TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN, in the off season. Trade him now for parts that make us better.


Gillis has backed himself into a corner here, Widowmaker. Another mishandling by Gillis.

Look around the league, there is no fit for a 34 year old Luongo. No team is screaming out WE NEED LUONGO! That is, if Gillis stops being an ass and lowers his ridiculous trade demands. Be done with it, turn the page, start a new chapter. Shite, I don't even think we could get Bozak straight up, even with how well Luongo is playing right now.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Hockey Widow » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:55 pm

RoyalDude wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN, in the off season. Trade him now for parts that make us better.


Gillis has backed himself into a corner here, Widowmaker. Another mishandling by Gillis.

Look around the league, there is no fit for a 34 year old Luongo. No team is screaming out WE NEED LUONGO! That is, if Gillis stops being an ass and lowers his ridiculous trade demands. Be done with it, turn the page, start a new chapter. Shite, I don't even think we could get Bozak straight up, even with how well Luongo is playing right now.



Well, if we are going to get shiit for him why the rush? Better to get shiit in the off season that right now.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:58 pm

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Hockey Widow wrote:TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN, in the off season. Trade him now for parts that make us better.


Gillis has backed himself into a corner here, Widowmaker. Another mishandling by Gillis.

Look around the league, there is no fit for a 34 year old Luongo. No team is screaming out WE NEED LUONGO! That is, if Gillis stops being an ass and lowers his ridiculous trade demands. Be done with it, turn the page, start a new chapter. Shite, I don't even think we could get Bozak straight up, even with how well Luongo is playing right now.



Well, if we are going to get shiit for him why the rush? Better to get shiit in the off season that right now.


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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Nuckertuzzi » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:43 am

RoyalDude wrote:Listen OKilee Dokilee, you can't have these two goalies at their salaries around past this season, keeping both for the season is fine and dandy, but to think that Gillis can swing a better deal the longer this goes on, especially this coming off-season ain't happening. Gillis needs to trade him pretty quickly here. Other GM's know that Gillis won't be able to lolligag next summer as he will have to clear the books of him.

The bottom line is, we should be keeping Luongo and we should be trying to trade Schneider.



True we would lose the leverage we have now in the offseason. But as long as Lu continues to shine the remainder of the season and dare we say long into the postseason withou any warts we will still have strong leverage no matter if Gillis needs to clear the books. That could come by way of a bidding war from the few teams that want him now and possibly from a few new suitors.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Nuckertuzzi » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:07 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Hockey Widow wrote:TRADE HIM NOW! GET WHAT YOU CAN, in the off season. Trade him now for parts that make us better.


Gillis has backed himself into a corner here, Widowmaker. Another mishandling by Gillis.

Look around the league, there is no fit for a 34 year old Luongo. No team is screaming out WE NEED LUONGO! That is, if Gillis stops being an ass and lowers his ridiculous trade demands. Be done with it, turn the page, start a new chapter. Shite, I don't even think we could get Bozak straight up, even with how well Luongo is playing right now.



You're shitting us, right? Can't get Bozak straight up, good God man, where do you get this from? His value ain't gettin' worse after this past week and tonight. Look around the league, there are a lot of teams with absolute shit goaltending right now who'd salivate at the thought of having the kind of backstopping that Lu put on display tonight.

Even if you were right and we can't get Bozak why in the fuck would you give up Lu for anything close to or worse than him? Weigh that against what Lu's doing for us now and it makes perfect sense why Gillis is holding on to him.

The only mishandling Gillis' has done so far is making it public that he's looking to trade Lu which opened up the media circus and almost closed the door of the possibility of using both goalies this year.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:18 am

Here Here, well said/written. I do like Lou, but the team had a couple of really good chances to go win a cup and Lou was a big reason why the team fell short. (re: 2011 team and I agree with the 2009 team as well).

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Nuckertuzzi wrote:2007 - Lu was outstanding despite the overtime blunder. The team was completely inept offensively. We had no chance, I loved his performance...no problem there.

2009 - The Hawks were deeper but that was the year I felt we really could've done something as we had some serious depth ourselves. Unfortnately that was the year when Lu's meltdowns began. Game 6 against the Hawks was an absolute killer because the team fought so hard to stay alive and the Twins and Sundin really came to life but Lu couldn't stop a puck to save his life. It was one deflating goal after another and at the worst possible times. Inexcusable when you supposedly have the better goaltender in the series.

2010 - The Hawks were an even better and deeper team and our defense was in shambles so I'll grant you that..but that's when you hope to get a spark from your goaltending and instead you get the opposite as he was equally as bad in this series as the season prior.

2011 - Third series in a row against a Hawks team where we should've had the goaltending advantage and didn't. Yet Lu managed to find a way get out of the series with a stellar Game 7...deserves praise for that but it was his horrible games in between that got us to that point.

The 8 goal Boston series argument is valid but people forget the fact that one of the biggest reasons we couldn't score is because the other goalie was doing to us exactly what I've been trying to say about what Lu should be doing more frequently to others. So what if he shuts out three games if you can't stop a beach ball in the other four...you need to win four games, right?

2012 - Lu was ok, couldn't be blamed but a few more stops could've helped. What I'd like to point out most about last years playoffs is what was the main reason the Kings won the Cup? Outstanding, reliable goaltending. Quick had a couple of so so games but recovered nicely and never let anything escalate to meltdowns. While he was simply out of this world it's proven you don't need that level of backstopping to win a Cup. But you have no chance if you get performances as volatile as Lu's. If we had just gotten one consistently good year out of him close to what Quick did, something he should be more than capable of, do you think we would still be Cupless right now with the teams we've had?



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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:31 pm

How about...
Phil Kessel straight up for Luongo?
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby CFP! » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:42 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:How about...
Phil Kessel straight up for Luongo?
Wouldja?



No. If Gillis wants some jam....Komarov is looking like a Jarko....Jarko Ruutuu when he was good.

I still think Luo wont be traded till the deadline or maybe draft.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Boston Canucker » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:24 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:How about...
Phil Kessel straight up for Luongo?
Wouldja?


Interesting idea. I'd probably lean towards no, but not automatically. He's having a crap start, but that's likely as much that he is trying to adapt and adhere to what Carlyle wants from him. He's a flake, little to no jam (thus the big part of my hesitation), but can score. I have no doubt he'll get a hot streak scoring. Luongo is going to have to go eventually, so you get a mid-20 something guy with a wicked shot who can score 30-40. He's a UFA after next year, so TO is likely weighing the options (does he even want to re-sign in Toronto? Do we want him back? What could we get for him now?). If/when Kesler is back, this year or next, Kesler and Kessel on the 2nd line with, say, Booth, or even Jensen next year...hmmm.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Brick Tamland » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:14 am

CFP! wrote:
No. If Gillis wants some jam....Komarov is looking like a Jarko....Jarko Ruutuu when he was good.

I still think Luo wont be traded till the deadline or maybe draft.


+1 I watched the laughs game yesterday and all he does is hit. He'd be a fan favourite. Him alone is not enough of a return for Loungo though.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby RoyalDude » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:52 am

The longer this goes the more ya realize that Gillis needs to lower his demands and just get what he can for Luongo.

Luongo is a great goalie to us, but in the eyes of around the league, at his age (turning 34 this season) only a team in contention for the cup with inadequate goaltending would be mildly interested. Look around the league, there ain't a lot of those teams out there. No way Luongo and a team in rebuild mode is a good marriage. Gillis needs to entertain the idea of trading Schneider. If he does, the flood gates open in opportunities in improving this club way more than it does with trading Luongo. You'd have teams like Columbus with shite goaltending who are in rebuild mode and would love a younger goalie like Schneider to build around. They have 3 first round picks and the likes of Jenner and Johanson that maybe we could snag, yes it would be difficult since they are rebuilding. Apparently the BJ's want to make like Burke at the draft and try to get both McKinnon and Drouin using their 3 draft picks as leverage. If that's the case, give them our 1st round pick, Schneider for Johanson and Jenner and something else???
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Uncle dans leg » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:55 am

From Twitter:


1m Bob McKenzie Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

VAN GM Mike Gillis and asst GM Laurence Gilman taking in the WSH-PIT game today in D.C.


Hmmm... the dark horse approaches...
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