So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Uncle dans leg » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:53 pm

Strangelove wrote:I want a 2nd line centre.

I want to play that 2nd line centre on the 3rd line when Kesler comes back.

I want your Vancouver Canucks to win a Stanley Cup THIS YEAR.

That's what I want. :drink:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Strangelove » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:57 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote: 3 scoring lines.
Exactly, even the Dude might agree with us on this one. :mex:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by rats19 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Uncle dans leg wrote: 3 scoring lines.
Exactly, even the Dude might agree with us on this one. :mex:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Potatoe1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:30 pm

Topper wrote:There are two 1st line centres and two fourth line centres. With one of the top injured, there is a gaping hole, The team needs someone who can play solid third line centre and sub at 2nd line if needed.
We got to game 7 of a cup final with the 4 centers currently on our roster.

I would like an upgrade but I think we disagree on the urgency of making that change. I also don't think we need to trade Luongo to address that need. Typically vet 3rd liners go for picks in the 2 - 4 range.

I would move Lu for the best young player available and then move draft picks to fill the 3rd line center role.
I can't see Jordan Schroeder centering a third line on a team with cup aspirations. Not this season anyways.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Uncle dans leg » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:02 pm

Potatoe1 wrote: We got to game 7 of a cup final with the 4 centers currently on our roster.
Maybe that 3rd scoring centre gets us that 1 more win! :wink:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by RoyalDude » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:05 pm

Potatoe1 wrote:
Topper wrote:There are two 1st line centres and two fourth line centres. With one of the top injured, there is a gaping hole, The team needs someone who can play solid third line centre and sub at 2nd line if needed.
We got to game 7 of a cup final with the 4 centers currently on our roster.

I would like an upgrade but I think we disagree on the urgency of making that change. I also don't think we need to trade Luongo to address that need. Typically vet 3rd liners go for picks in the 2 - 4 range.

I would move Lu for the best young player available and then move draft picks to fill the 3rd line center role.
I can't see Jordan Schroeder centering a third line on a team with cup aspirations. Not this season anyways.
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Game 7 against the Bruins was how long ago?

Fast forward to now, Malhotra sucks, Kesler is war torn and seemingly requires surgery every off season and by the time he is in game shape, if he does come back, by the time he gains his full confidence in his repaired shoulder it will be season 2013/14 and he Sedins will be 33.

So, basically you would like to see Gillis pull another brilliant Pahlsson like trade for a 3rd line centre, give up a 2nd to 4th round pick like he always does. Tell me, what is so wrong with Schroeder? Or are you on board with the horrid drafting and developing system that Gillis has created here. Potatoe, we need kids battling for jobs each and every new year. Teams depend on that. This is something we have not seen under the Gillis regime.

Cup aspirations? Come on Pot, did beating one of the worst teams in the league, the Avalanche, who were without their two best forwards, O'Reilly and Landeskog and solid role player - Steve Downie somehow renew some confidence in ya?
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by RoyalDude » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:24 pm

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Potatoe1 wrote: We got to game 7 of a cup final with the 4 centers currently on our roster.
Maybe that 3rd scoring centre gets us that 1 more win! :wink:
No, my good friend, we need a shut down centre like Pahlsson. But if we can't find a Pahlsson, we have Lappy and Manny.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by RoyalDude » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:27 pm

Luongo turns 34 in April, somehow me thinks, especially with this opt out clause that kicks in in two years, that no team is going to give up quality assets for him in the off-season. The time to trade Luongo is now!
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by SKYO » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:36 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: I think it is safe to assume that MG has not been offered a true top six that would significantly help us or he probably would have pulled the trigger. I think he has a deal he could take if he felt it would help us but I think he is reluctant because said deal would not make us a significantly better club this year.

I just know that if we are going to get prospects or pick for Luongo, both of which are good moving forward, then I want them when the season is over, not now. You don't trade a player like Luongo now for plugs.
Luongo + Higgins + Jensen for Kessel + Steckel + Reimer. <-- A true top 6 player, and a third line center. (with re-signing Kessel a priority in the offseason)

I still wouldn't mind keeping Luongo this season with another shot of 'proving himself' in the playoffs, then trade him when other teams (philly) can use some amnesty buyouts, where I think we could actually land BSchenn or Sean Couturier.
Hockey Widow wrote: Now a top six centre who is UFA with other pieces would be a good move.
Topper wrote:There are two 1st line centres and two fourth line centres. With one of the top injured, there is a gaping hole, The team needs someone who can play solid third line centre and sub at 2nd line if needed.
Luongo + Schroeder for Weiss + Shore + Clemmenson <-- Good top 6 center rental and a 3rd line center who can help now and way into the future for top 6 center duties.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Todd Bersnoozi » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:26 am

Hmmm... Since we're in no real rush to move Lou, I'm starting to wonder if the trade deadline might be the best time to move him. Teams that think they have a chance to go all the way and think they need a goalie might offer something we can't refuse.

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Hockey Widow » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:39 am

Todd Bersnoozi wrote:Hmmm... Since we're in no real rush to move Lou, I'm starting to wonder if the trade deadline might be the best time to move him. Teams that think they have a chance to go all the way and think they need a goalie might offer something we can't refuse.

A team thinking they could go all the way would already have a starter don't you think? And if they had a team set to go could they afford at the deadline to take a piece or two off the team. I just don't think the trade deadline would see a contender grab Lou but perhaps a team not going to make the playoffs might make a pitch but if you are Luongo do you waive?
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Blob Mckenzie » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:41 am

RoyalDude wrote:
Game 7 against the Bruins was how long ago?

Fast forward to now, Malhotra sucks, Kesler is war torn and seemingly requires surgery every off season and by the time he is in game shape, if he does come back, by the time he gains his full confidence in his repaired shoulder it will be season 2013/14 and he Sedins will be 33.

So, basically you would like to see Gillis pull another brilliant Pahlsson like trade for a 3rd line centre, give up a 2nd to 4th round pick like he always does. Tell me, what is so wrong with Schroeder? Or are you on board with the horrid drafting and developing system that Gillis has created here. Potatoe, we need kids battling for jobs each and every new year. Teams depend on that. This is something we have not seen under the Gillis regime.

Cup aspirations? Come on Pot, did beating one of the worst teams in the league, the Avalanche, who were without their two best forwards, O'Reilly and Landeskog and solid role player - Steve Downie somehow renew some confidence in ya?
Yes Kesler required surgery every off season. i guess if you are only counting the last two off seasons you might be right.
You don't have any idea when he will be in game shape and gains his "full confidence" .

We are talking about this year's playoff push. The Sedins will still be 32....no idea why you keep trying to tack on an extra year to their age other than to prop up your flimsy point that the team is old. As has been pointed out to you every time you call them old or aging, many elite players have played at a high level well into their late 30's, but I guess it's easier to just ignore it . ? . :eh:

Gillis did not cough up a 2nd and a 4th for Pahlsson.....stop making shit up.

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Meds » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:15 am

Hockey Widow wrote:
Todd Bersnoozi wrote:Hmmm... Since we're in no real rush to move Lou, I'm starting to wonder if the trade deadline might be the best time to move him. Teams that think they have a chance to go all the way and think they need a goalie might offer something we can't refuse.

A team thinking they could go all the way would already have a starter don't you think? And if they had a team set to go could they afford at the deadline to take a piece or two off the team. I just don't think the trade deadline would see a contender grab Lou but perhaps a team not going to make the playoffs might make a pitch but if you are Luongo do you waive?
I think Tampa Bay might run contrary to that line of thinking, HW.....

They have a great offense, their defense is decent, but their goaltending is nothing to write home about. Yes, Lindback is 4-1 to start the year, but his numbers are hardly inspiring. 2.80 and .913. He is relatively unproven and has zero playoff experience. The Bolts are certainly a team to watch in the East, but come playoffs, when the refs put the whistles away, PP time drops, teams step it up, and defense becomes more important. Suddenly the Lightning may find it difficult to score their way out of close games and they may find themselves relying heavily on their goaltending. Replacing Lindback with a guy like Luongo might take them from being a "team to watch" to being one of the favourites.

No, I don't think that Lou is going to Tampa. I don't think Gillis has anything in the mix with them. They are just an example of a team that could look at going all the way given just a change in goaltending.

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Nuckertuzzi » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:07 am

darren wrote:
Nuckertuzzi wrote: He may eventually get over the hump here but he's had six years, five opportunities and failed miserably in most of them.
I'd point out that in every one of those "miserable failures", there have been two teams on the ice, and in every case but one*, that other team has gone on to win the Stanley Cup that year.

I know this horse has been beaten to death, but when you score 8 goals in 7 games, that's a miserable failure alright, but not by your goaltending. (even when Lou was getting shutouts we were only scoring 1 goal, so I have no time for the "lou sucked so bad that he made the team suck" argument). To win the cup, you have to be good, and you have to be lucky with injuries. That's just how it is. The Bruins were a lot luckier with injuries than we were in 2011 and they won. The 2012 Kings were a lot better team on the ice than they were on paper, and they were damn lucky with injuries all the way through, and they won. The 2010 Hawks were simply better and deeper than we were, as were the 2007 Ducks.

*(I think that 2009 against the Hawks is the one time that I would really hang it on Lou... the rest of the time we got beat by a better/healthier team).
2007 - Lu was outstanding despite the overtime blunder. The team was completely inept offensively. We had no chance, I loved his performance...no problem there.

2009 - The Hawks were deeper but that was the year I felt we really could've done something as we had some serious depth ourselves. Unfortnately that was the year when Lu's meltdowns began. Game 6 against the Hawks was an absolute killer because the team fought so hard to stay alive and the Twins and Sundin really came to life but Lu couldn't stop a puck to save his life. It was one deflating goal after another and at the worst possible times. Inexcusable when you supposedly have the better goaltender in the series.

2010 - The Hawks were an even better and deeper team and our defense was in shambles so I'll grant you that..but that's when you hope to get a spark from your goaltending and instead you get the opposite as he was equally as bad in this series as the season prior.

2011 - Third series in a row against a Hawks team where we should've had the goaltending advantage and didn't. Yet Lu managed to find a way get out of the series with a stellar Game 7...deserves praise for that but it was his horrible games in between that got us to that point.

The 8 goal Boston series argument is valid but people forget the fact that one of the biggest reasons we couldn't score is because the other goalie was doing to us exactly what I've been trying to say about what Lu should be doing more frequently to others. So what if he shuts out three games if you can't stop a beach ball in the other four...you need to win four games, right?

2012 - Lu was ok, couldn't be blamed but a few more stops could've helped. What I'd like to point out most about last years playoffs is what was the main reason the Kings won the Cup? Outstanding, reliable goaltending. Quick had a couple of so so games but recovered nicely and never let anything escalate to meltdowns. While he was simply out of this world it's proven you don't need that level of backstopping to win a Cup. But you have no chance if you get performances as volatile as Lu's. If we had just gotten one consistently good year out of him close to what Quick did, something he should be more than capable of, do you think we would still be Cupless right now with the teams we've had?



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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Post by Topper » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:26 am

At times I feel like I'm reading a flash back of Bountiful here.
The twins are 32 and will continue on the same or better pace for years to come.......
This is the line up that took us to game seven two years ago.......
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