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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:40 am

Absolutely its ok to acknowledge Gillis has made a bad trade or two on this site. I like the job Gillis has done but I am definitely not impressed with some of his moves. The Ballard trade has turned into a very poor move but unlike others I didn't jump up and down and kick and scream 1 month into Ballards first season here. The Booth trade I am willing to give this season before I write it off. The guy deserves more than 50 games to show whether or not he can be an asset to this team. I could definitely see different ways of spending 4.25 million though.

The Ehrhoff trade was Doug Wilson dumping cap space to pursue Dany Heatley. It worked out great for Gillis.

Krajicek for SOB was flat.....slight edge to Vancouver.

The trades of 3rd round picks for Higgins and Lappy are good hockey moves. Andrew Alberts for a 3rd rounder has been ok. Steve Bernier for a 2nd and 3rd rounder didn't work out great but it's not the collossal blunder that the dude makes it out to be.

Gillis really hasn't made a big deal except for the swap of Cody for Zack . That trade will take a long time to judge. So far it looks like a win - win for both clubs.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Uncle dans leg » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:47 am

Vader wrote:
First of all, Reinprecht was in that deal so it was basically Reinprect for Sturm (as Sturm was likely heading to minors anyways) straight accross and in essentially a seperate deal, Booth + 3rd for Samuelsson straight across. Your "analysis" completely ignores what Gillis could have done with the cap hit of $4.25M.


It's hard not to look at the fact that we got the best player from the deal(arguably of course) and we still have him. I know Samuelsson was a decent player but he also was a bit of a floater. Booth for all his warts is exactly what this team needs(when healthy). he had seemingly found his game just before having his knee blown out by Kevin Porter(12 games 5 goals/5 assists) so it's fair to say that the chances of him playing considerably better are defintely there.

Vader wrote:Furthermore, just because you have a player under contract for next year doesn't mean you win the trade. Cap space is an asset. Malholtra is UFA this year. Want to swap him for DiPietro? I mean Malholtra will be gone but I think DiPietro has a couple years left on his deal. Maybe a backup for Schneider? It's a good trade since we're ignoring cap space opportunity and it's better to have an asset at the end of the year rather than letting one leave for nothing, amirite?


That isn't really what we are debating here honestly. Booth has more to give for sure but comparisons to DiPietro are not exactly relevant. He can and will play better. I would say this is a good bet. DiPietro...not a good bet.

Vader wrote:Ditto the Grabner / Ballard deal. Who cares what mistake Tallon did/didn't make. Not relevant. Gillis wasted a first and $4M of cap space on a guy who had trouble staying in the lineup. Furthermore, do you think NYI would've sent a 2nd rounder for Grabner? Probably would have.


I think it's completely relevant because the player we traded was a floater and that's exactly what Florida acquired. It took this player having his ego "checked" to actually realize that you need to buckle down and give it your all. I acknowledge that the 1st we gave up in addition to Grabner was actually the key to the deal and I'm sorry that I forgot this.

Vader wrote:Just curious - is it OK to acknowledge Gillis made a bad trade or two on this site?


Forgetting the 1st is a blunder by me, sorry. It actually does change this deal from a draw to a loss. Quinton Howden! How could I forget the Dudes' rant!!
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Aaronp18 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:07 pm

Cap space is an asset if there is someone to spend it on.

The free agency group the last few years has been abysmal at best. Does anyone truthfully think we missed out on signings because of a lack of cap space?
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby dbr » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:21 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:Cap space is an asset if there is someone to spend it on.

The free agency group the last few years has been abysmal at best. Does anyone truthfully think we missed out on signings because of a lack of cap space?


Honestly I do wonder if the Canucks wouldn't have been better off trying to sign Zbynek Michalek, Paul Martin, Anton Volchenkov or even Jordan Leopold or Toni Lydman rather than trading for Ballard.

Lots of competent defenders went that summer.

That being said it's 20/20 hindsight at it's finest.. If Gillis had sat back while Ballard was dealt and then failed to sign a single defenseman of note that summer, this team would probably have won their division and been blown out in the second round as usual in 2011 - at best.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Potatoe1 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:23 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:Cap space is an asset if there is someone to spend it on.

The free agency group the last few years has been abysmal at best. Does anyone truthfully think we missed out on signings because of a lack of cap space?


This.

The Canucks do not seem to have missed out on anyone this off season due to Booths contract so it's difficult to argue that the move was a poor one.

The cap is dropping next season but with Lu likely being traded, Malholtra and Raymond expiring, and Ballard being bought out, I don't see the team having cap issues.

Over all I would say that Gillis is about even on his trades. The Ballard move was awful, but the Ehrhoff deal was fantastic. Bernier wasn't great but Higgens and Lappy were. Jury still out on Booth and Kassian deals.

Drafting has also been fairly pedestrian.

The most important thing that Gillis has done BY FAR, is to turn the Canucks into a truly exceptional organization to play for. This has allowed him to sign our free agents to below market contracts as well as bring in other quality free agents.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Strangelove » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:57 pm

Vader wrote:Just curious - is it OK to acknowledge Gillis made a bad trade or two on this site?


Looking for yet another BJ from RD? :roll:

The reason he doesn't receive much criticism in regards to trades is that Gillis' trading record is very good.

In retrospect, only two bad trades over the years.... and they both involve Steve Bernier.


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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Strangelove » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:59 pm

RoyalDude wrote:If the mystery team is Edmonton, ain't nobody I want on that team I want outside of Hall, Eberle, Yak, RNH, Schultz, Klefbom or their 2013 1st round pick.


So what you're saying is.... outside of the Fab Four and possibly Klefbom... the Oil are a shit team going forward. Image
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Topper » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:06 pm

The inclusion of Bernier's contract makes the Ballard acquisition palatable.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Vader » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:08 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Vader wrote:Just curious - is it OK to acknowledge Gillis made a bad trade or two on this site?


Looking for yet another BJ from RD? :roll:


Other way around :oops:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Vader » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:11 pm

Aaronp18 wrote:Cap space is an asset if there is someone to spend it on.



Yeah...so when you got some you spend wisely. For all the talk about Luongo's deal saving cap space it's undone when it's used to trade for Ballard.

I'm not a Gillis bashing guy, I just find it bizzarre with the benefit of hindsight some STILL can't acknowledge the Ballard trade was a blunder

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Topper » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:12 pm

Vader wrote:
Strangelove wrote:
Vader wrote:Just curious - is it OK to acknowledge Gillis made a bad trade or two on this site?


Looking for yet another BJ from RD? :roll:


Other way around :oops:

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Potatoe1 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:12 pm

Topper wrote:The inclusion of Bernier's contract makes the Ballard acquisition palatable.


Yeah, not really,,

That deal was terrible.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Potatoe1 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:19 pm

Vader wrote:
Aaronp18 wrote:Cap space is an asset if there is someone to spend it on.



Yeah...so when you got some you spend wisely. For all the talk about Luongo's deal saving cap space it's undone when it's used to trade for Ballard.

I'm not a Gillis bashing guy, I just find it bizzarre with the benefit of hindsight some STILL can't acknowledge the Ballard trade was a blunder

It's a madhouse!


Ballard has played like a 1.5 mill 6/7 defenseman, so yeah he is terribly over paid and the cap hit is very bad.

Booth on the other hand scored at a 23/82 pace with out significant ice time. His contract is probably fine if if the cap is in the high 60's low 70's.

With a shrinking cap he might be a little over paid but there is no comparison between his deal and Ballards. I also think Booth can improve his numbers if he can stay healthy, he was looking quite good before his leg injury.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Strangelove » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:27 pm

Vader wrote:
Aaronp18 wrote:Cap space is an asset if there is someone to spend it on.


I'm not a Gillis bashing guy, I just find it bizzarre with the benefit of hindsight some STILL can't acknowledge the Ballard trade was a blunder

It's a madhouse!


It would be something worth mentioning if MOST refused to acknowledge the Ballard trade was a blunder.

I'd say... at this point.... 95% of the posters here say: BLUNDER.

But hey every GM makes some blunders and in retrospect thus far Gillis' trading overall record looks very good.

By the way, RD has complained in this forum about his impotence sooo.... good luck with that? :look:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:33 pm

RD also said his hair is falling out too. Not sure if a dude with a skullet giving you a hummer is hot ? :?
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