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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby ukcanuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:02 am

Hockey Widow wrote:Like Luongo would waive to go to NYI. I can see him waiving to go to Washington, Philly or Florida. But not the soon to be Bronx Islanders. But they do have Nabokov to trade back so we could have a back up. :D

Washington hasn't had good goaltending on a regular basis since whats his name retired. I can see that being a perfect fit for Luongo and they have pieces to trade. Philly needs to deal with their cap issues going forward. So they would need to deal Byrz to make Luongo work and we ain't taking him back. Although Burke loved him in Anaheim so maybe Baby Brian would take him for a song and a dance so Philly could clear cap space.

I believe MG has a dance partner. Who, is anyone's guess at this point. Him going public I think is his way of saying fuck off to everyone.

Funny HW, I would have thought that you would be the most perplexed by Gillis' comments on a mystery trading partner. You mentioned before how tight lipped the organisation has become since Gillis took over and this "leak" is definitely not his style at all.
Coming on the heels of the response to Toronto's media circus deliberately trying to stir up a trade with the leafs last week, I wonder if the whole thing is completely bogus and just a little bit of revenge cooked up to throw the scent a little...

like you once said, the guy always seems to pull something out of left field when everyone least expects it...
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Groovypippin » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:54 am

With speculation going into high gear, I am going to make a bold, insane and therefore entirely plausible prediction

To Washington
Luongo + Ballard + 1st in 2013 and 2014

To Vancouver
Ovechkin

:wow: :devil:
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Hockey Widow » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:02 am

ukcanuck wrote:Funny HW, I would have thought that you would be the most perplexed by Gillis' comments on a mystery trading partner. You mentioned before how tight lipped the organisation has become since Gillis took over and this "leak" is definitely not his style at all.
Coming on the heels of the response to Toronto's media circus deliberately trying to stir up a trade with the leafs last week, I wonder if the whole thing is completely bogus and just a little bit of revenge cooked up to throw the scent a little...

like you once said, the guy always seems to pull something out of left field when everyone least expects it...



Any "leak" coming out of Vancouver is usually well planned and deliberate. MG knows what he is doing but what his end game is, is anyone's guess. I have no doubt he said exactly what he intended to say but why is the question. I doubt he acted out of panic or frustration. There is a method to his madness but who knows. Maybe he is just fuck!ng with everyone. Luongo still maintains that MG has not approached him about waiving his NTC so if thats the case then it is highly unlikely any deal is almost worked out.

MG being this candid, if it is candour, is unusual therefore it is planned for some other reason. No one I've talked to has any more in depth analysis. So not much else leaking out.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Nuckertuzzi » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:15 am

Uncle dans leg wrote:Interesting night for potential Luongo destination teams...
Philly, Florida and even Washington looking at shaky goaltending.
Is it a perfect scenario for us? You-betcha!!



Did ya see Dubnyk tonight?...now we just need the Pens to light up T.O. and we may see the potential benefits of waiting. It's a gamble either way with the distraction it's causing on the team and our two tenders. Just hope some of these teams will get desperate sooner than later and get bidding.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby BurningBeard » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:18 am

Meds wrote:Apparently Bob McKenzie has said on TSN radio that it is looking like Edmonton or Chicago is the mystery team. Not sure who the Oilers have that they would have to do something with so it can't be them.....also don't think Lou would go to Coiltown. Also don't have a clue who we would be getting back from the Hawks.

I find the prospect of trading Luongo within the Western conference to be unlikely, but the idea of trading him to a divisional rival is truly insane. That isn't going to happen unless Tambellini is throwing away core players. Even trading him to Chicago would be pretty messed up for both fan bases.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Topper » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:16 am

Bryz interviewed hourly by the Toronto media.
Over the Internet, you can pretend to be anyone or anything.

I'm amazed that so many people choose to be complete twats.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Meds » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:47 am

Groovypippin wrote:With speculation going into high gear, I am going to make a bold, insane and therefore entirely plausible prediction

To Washington
Luongo + Ballard + 1st in 2013 and 2014

To Vancouver
Ovechkin

:wow: :devil:


LMAO!!! I love it. Throw in Raymond too.

Or....

Currently Washington has $6.3M available cal and Vancouver has $840K.

Bear in mind that Washington is projected to have $20.4M in cap space for next year and Vancouver is projected to have $3.8M.

To Washington
Luongo $5.3M
Higgins $1.9M UFA
Ballard $4.2M thru 2015
2nd

$11.4M now $9.5M next season.

To Vancouver
Brouwer $2.3M then $3.6M (2013-2016)
Tom Poti $2.8M UFA
Neuvirth $1.1M RFA
1st, 3rd

$5.2M now $3.6M plus next season depending on Neuvirth.


I really like Brouwer for a few reasons. One, he's a 20 goal scorer who also brings you 250 hits. Two, he can contribute more offensively given the opportunity, just see what he did in Moose Jaw in the Dub. Three, he's a homegrown BC talent from Vancouver. Four, he isn't afraid of going to the dirty scoring areas where we so desperately need toughness right now. He was 7th in the league among forwards for hits last year, and above him only Dustin Brown and Ryan Callahan put up more goals, and Brouwer isn't given the same offensive minutes as those two.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Meds » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:57 am

Carrying in with the ridiculous.....

To Vancouver
Kane $6.3M
Oduya $3.4M

$9.7M total.

To Chicago
Luongo $5.3M
Ballard $4.2M
Raymond $2.2M + 2nd. Or just a 1st and a 3rd and MayRay stays.

$11.7M or $9.5M total.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby CrzyCanuck » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:24 am

maybe the mystery trading partner IS a mystery, or fictional

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Boston Canucker » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:24 am

Meds wrote:Carrying in with the ridiculous.....

To Vancouver
Kane $6.3M
Oduya $3.4M

$9.7M total.

To Chicago
Luongo $5.3M
Ballard $4.2M
Raymond $2.2M + 2nd. Or just a 1st and a 3rd and MayRay stays.

$11.7M or $9.5M total.


Last summer I thought if there was one crazy, so crazy it might work deal, it was Luongo for Kane. Both teams trade their problems (in Kane's case, off ice behavior and a tepid year last year), fill clear needs, and the cap hits are not far off. If the Hawks and Crawford had started off really poorly, maybe, still a longshot, but they're rolling off the bat.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby dbr » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:15 am

From a long term perspective, I don't want a player whose next deal is going to be a UFA contract, unless that player is so good you change the direction of your franchise to accomodate him (Pat Kane for example, although why the Hawks move him I don't know).

A guy like Brouwer would be useful here to be sure, but at $3.6m right when the Canucks are facing a cap crunch you are either going to be going with all rookies and bargain bin players outside of your top six, or he is going to cost you a David Booth or an Alex Burrows.. which means you're not making a substantial upgrade.

As for teams like Winnipeg, Edmonton etc.. I can't see Lou waiving to go to a bad team that is also no closer to where he undoubtedly wants to be.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Reefer2 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:48 am

So then it is all just MG playing with the media.

I love the local guys and how they go on and on about having teh 2 goalies is a circus and a distraction to the team. The part that really pisses me off is that it is the local media that is creating the problem. I mean other than someone like RD, normal fans do not think 24/7 about the Canucks and if there is a goalie issue in Vancouver.

The media creates the issue, complains about the issue, writes about the issues, talks endlessly about the issue, tells everyone that it is all fans care about and then when called on it, they say it is their job to report. Some days it is better to turn the radio off than listen to 1040. Chapman should go back to just writing for the Province.

I would love for Schneider/Luongo just to start ignoring any question directed to them about the "goalie" issue.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby dbr » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:58 am

Reefer2 wrote:The part that really pisses me off is that it is the local media that is creating the problem.


What problem?

Until our goaltenders play starts suffering because they can't take a few (repetitive, annoying) questions from reporters, there is no problem.

Well, beyond the problem of the sports 'journalists' in this town being a bunch of lazy hacks. That one is very much on the local media.
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby Boston Canucker » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:06 am

Reefer2 wrote:So then it is all just MG playing with the media.

I love the local guys and how they go on and on about having teh 2 goalies is a circus and a distraction to the team. The part that really pisses me off is that it is the local media that is creating the problem. I mean other than someone like RD, normal fans do not think 24/7 about the Canucks and if there is a goalie issue in Vancouver.

The media creates the issue, complains about the issue, writes about the issues, talks endlessly about the issue, tells everyone that it is all fans care about and then when called on it, they say it is their job to report. Some days it is better to turn the radio off than listen to 1040. Chapman should go back to just writing for the Province.

I would love for Schneider/Luongo just to start ignoring any question directed to them about the "goalie" issue.


When is the media frenzy around the Canucks not a circus? If/when Luongo is traded we all know there will be another 'circus topic'. I don't even mean this as criticism, it speaks to how central the Canucks are to Vancouver, but it also means that the team is more than used to all the attention, questions, etc. As Roseanne Rosanadana used to say "If it ain't one thing, it's another"
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Re: So, who would you like in a return for Luongo

Postby cjc » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:01 am

Gillis' "candour" could be a tactic to pressure the main target, T.O. I also doubt you'll hear anything significant from Luongo. I don't think he'll offer up tidbits about his NTC because he's probably sick of being hounded by the media. Letting Gillis handle it is so much easier. He still has games to play, apparently, and until Schneider proves opening night was just the jitters I don't think Gillis will be in any hurry to move him.
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