2013 Season Injury Thread
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Jensen has a pretty good chance to make the team with Booth out for 4-6 weeks. Can he come back to NA now??
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So barring a Gomez/Langkow signing or Luongo trade.
SEDIN SEDIN BURROWS
RAYMOND EBBETT HIGGINS
HANSEN SCHROEDER KASSIAN
MANNY LAPPY WEISE
That forward group might hopefully maintain a .500 winning %.
If not say goodbye to the playoffs this season!
SEDIN SEDIN BURROWS
RAYMOND EBBETT HIGGINS
HANSEN SCHROEDER KASSIAN
MANNY LAPPY WEISE
That forward group might hopefully maintain a .500 winning %.
If not say goodbye to the playoffs this season!
Can the Canucks just win a Cup within the next 5 years.
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With those forwards, we better play a tight defensive game.
Good thing we have a solid D corps and a good goalie. Is that enough to win?
Good thing we have a solid D corps and a good goalie. Is that enough to win?
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2006 redux
....big difference may be that in 2006 there was no help whatsoever coming late in the year. With Kes and Booth on the shelf and with possibly, hopefully some good forward depth coming in the Luongo trade, there's hope.
Of course cynics like myself would say that isn't much hope, since.. A ) Booth isn't much help to begin with,.. B ) Kesler will have missed almost an entire calendar year of hockey before he returns and we've already seen how ineffective a rusty Kesler can be..not to mention he could be a hit or tweak away from getting right back on the shelf,..and C ) the names that have been bandied about so far in return for Luongo don't excite me at all. Bozak and/or Kadri may help fill some holes but they'll have little impact on this team this year (may explain why Gillis is holding out).
That said, while I do expect an ugly first half to the season where we'll be spending much of it battling to get out of a big hole and be fighting for a playoff spot, I also expect a big surge in the final 4-6 weeks that will put us in and hopefully we can ride the momentum from that. My early prediction is a record of 24-18-6=54 pts, landing us somewhere between 3rd-6th place. The good news is as we've all learned by now it's not about how you start but rather how you finish. The Kings were so bad late last year they had to fire a coach. And in the last lockout shortened 48 game season, the Devils won the Cup with a pretty mediocre 52 pt, 5th place season.
I'll try to delay my angst till late March.
....big difference may be that in 2006 there was no help whatsoever coming late in the year. With Kes and Booth on the shelf and with possibly, hopefully some good forward depth coming in the Luongo trade, there's hope.
Of course cynics like myself would say that isn't much hope, since.. A ) Booth isn't much help to begin with,.. B ) Kesler will have missed almost an entire calendar year of hockey before he returns and we've already seen how ineffective a rusty Kesler can be..not to mention he could be a hit or tweak away from getting right back on the shelf,..and C ) the names that have been bandied about so far in return for Luongo don't excite me at all. Bozak and/or Kadri may help fill some holes but they'll have little impact on this team this year (may explain why Gillis is holding out).
That said, while I do expect an ugly first half to the season where we'll be spending much of it battling to get out of a big hole and be fighting for a playoff spot, I also expect a big surge in the final 4-6 weeks that will put us in and hopefully we can ride the momentum from that. My early prediction is a record of 24-18-6=54 pts, landing us somewhere between 3rd-6th place. The good news is as we've all learned by now it's not about how you start but rather how you finish. The Kings were so bad late last year they had to fire a coach. And in the last lockout shortened 48 game season, the Devils won the Cup with a pretty mediocre 52 pt, 5th place season.
I'll try to delay my angst till late March.
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Don't believe so.Jovocop wrote:Jensen has a pretty good chance to make the team with Booth out for 4-6 weeks. Can he come back to NA now??
I think he has to finish his contract with AIK.
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Where are people getting this rumour about Kesler and not being able to lift his arm above his head?Mondi wrote: However, my gut says Kesler will miss the whole season. If he can't even lift his arm above his head, he won't have full arm strength until sometime in late 2013 or early 2014.
That is a strength building exercise, picture was taken yesterday.
You generally don't start strength building exercises like that during rehab until full range of motion is achieved. If he can't lift his arm above his head he wouldn't have a full ROM in his shoulder.
Now it's not free weights but he looks like he has a decent ROM even with that exercise. I would wager a guess that if Kesler couldn't lift his arm over his head they wouldn't be letting him do strengthening exercises like the one in the pic.
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Also if you look at the pics from today at camp, Kesler is in full gear, skating, with a stick and playing with a puck. No way do they let him do that if he doesn't have full ROM.
I call a farce on this he can't lift his arm over his head BS.
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Hey all - finally getting back to this Board....
Not sure if mentioned in other threads, but Valk was on Fan590 here in Ontario this morning and thinks Kesler's issue is still the hip. He has no insider knowledge on that, but given the pic above, makes me wonder. IF true, seems to me to explain the "indefinite" aspect of his return.
Anyone hearing those whispers as well? (And again, I apologize if mentioned elsewhere on the site!)
Not sure if mentioned in other threads, but Valk was on Fan590 here in Ontario this morning and thinks Kesler's issue is still the hip. He has no insider knowledge on that, but given the pic above, makes me wonder. IF true, seems to me to explain the "indefinite" aspect of his return.
Anyone hearing those whispers as well? (And again, I apologize if mentioned elsewhere on the site!)
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Damn! Looks like no Stanley Cup this year.Mondi wrote:)
R. BOOTH (winger) - 4 to 6 weeks (groin)
Oh my.
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I think they're being cautious with Kesler, and especially cautious with the ridiculous Vancouver media. They don't want to set a return date because it will only give a reason for the media to hound them when it doesn't happen according to schedule. This is far more of a factor now since Gillis already put his foot in his mouth during the fall (I forget exactly when) by pegging Kesler to a likely December return. At this point, that seems to have been an overly optimistic projection, and Gillis stood to gain nothing by throwing a date out there into the media. It seems to me that Kesler's agent is making noise about his slow recovery largely because of Gillis' dumb comment. It's a well deserved wag of the finger.
Is that lineup a playoff lineup??? Absolutely, it is. It isn't a Presidents' Trophy level lineup, but having had such an excellent team the past few years, one thing we often forget is that every lineup has its share of holes. At this point we still have an excellent defence and phenomenal goaltending, but our forward group is a one-line affair. We have to remember that there are lots of one-line teams in the NHL, few of which have a line that's been as dominant as the twins over the past several seasons, or have the strength in the back end and in net that we have. We also have a good number of players lower in the lineup who bring a solid two-way game to the table, even when they're not scoring.
We'll be fine... barring further injuries *knock on RD's skull... erm... wood*.
Is that lineup a playoff lineup??? Absolutely, it is. It isn't a Presidents' Trophy level lineup, but having had such an excellent team the past few years, one thing we often forget is that every lineup has its share of holes. At this point we still have an excellent defence and phenomenal goaltending, but our forward group is a one-line affair. We have to remember that there are lots of one-line teams in the NHL, few of which have a line that's been as dominant as the twins over the past several seasons, or have the strength in the back end and in net that we have. We also have a good number of players lower in the lineup who bring a solid two-way game to the table, even when they're not scoring.
We'll be fine... barring further injuries *knock on RD's skull... erm... wood*.
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With these injuries would Gomez be a decent pick up right now on a 1 year contract ?
Gomez may want to prove something and he is not hurtng for money. As a temp 2nd line centre he may be better than some of the other options.
Gomez may want to prove something and he is not hurtng for money. As a temp 2nd line centre he may be better than some of the other options.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, Gomez is still under contract with the Habs. He's simply been asked not to report so that they can buy him out NEXT offseason without risk of injury interrupting that process. So, he's unavailable to us, unless we (for some dumb reason) chose to trade for him with his 7.25mil contract in tow.
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He is now on waivers and will probably be bought out within the next day or 2.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413671
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413671
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Ok, then the same thing I said except replace "trade" with "waiver pickup". For whatever reason, I thought he had already cleared, but I don't see how this changes the point. It's not like we'd be giving up more than a bag of pucks in a theoretical "trade" anyway.
He will not be bought out though, because if they were to buy him out this year, there would be a significant cap hit for years to come. Next summer, there is an amnesty where two players per team can be bought out without cap penalty. It's been widely reported in the media that Gomez will be one of these two for the Habs. Preserving this option is why he's being asked not to show up to the AHL in order to prevent the possibility of injury, which would stop them from exercising the amnesty buyout.
He will not be bought out though, because if they were to buy him out this year, there would be a significant cap hit for years to come. Next summer, there is an amnesty where two players per team can be bought out without cap penalty. It's been widely reported in the media that Gomez will be one of these two for the Habs. Preserving this option is why he's being asked not to show up to the AHL in order to prevent the possibility of injury, which would stop them from exercising the amnesty buyout.
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I may be full of shit, but I beleieve if a team uses the "compliance" buyouts this week, then the cap hit is only for this season and none in the future. The cash payout is the same - 2/3 of the salary reaming split over the life of the contract times twoLloyd Braun wrote:
He will not be bought out though, because if they were to buy him out this year, there would be a significant cap hit for years to come.
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Lloyd there has been an agreement between the league and PA to allow Redden and Gomez to be bought out before this season so they can continue their careers without having to sit a full year to preserve their eligibility for this summer's amnesty buy out.
Per Nick Kypreos:
Hearing the #NHL #NHLPA have reached an agreement for compliance buyouts for cases like #Rangers Redden and #Canadiens Gomez. Details2follow
With new agreement, 1st buyout window will start prior 2 season opener. 2nd one remains in summer. Cap hit stays 4 rest of this season only
Note on new compliance buyout agreement. Player consent needed to buy player out and player cap hit must be 3M+ Next summer reg rules apply
Based on my last tweet, safe to say latest #NHL #NHLPA compliance buyout agreement (all be it temporary)... had only 2 players in mind
For those asking, no real benefit #Rangers #Canadiens buying out Redden Gomez now other than nice gesture. Credit #NHL for doing right thing
Per Nick Kypreos:
Hearing the #NHL #NHLPA have reached an agreement for compliance buyouts for cases like #Rangers Redden and #Canadiens Gomez. Details2follow
With new agreement, 1st buyout window will start prior 2 season opener. 2nd one remains in summer. Cap hit stays 4 rest of this season only
Note on new compliance buyout agreement. Player consent needed to buy player out and player cap hit must be 3M+ Next summer reg rules apply
Based on my last tweet, safe to say latest #NHL #NHLPA compliance buyout agreement (all be it temporary)... had only 2 players in mind
For those asking, no real benefit #Rangers #Canadiens buying out Redden Gomez now other than nice gesture. Credit #NHL for doing right thing