Booth kills baited bear

[Island Nucklehead]

That's fine and dandy. Americans need to wake up. You cannot overthrow a tyrannical government with a semi-automatic AR-15. They have A-10 Warthogs and Humvees with MK 19's on them. It's ridiculous to think any civilian stands a chance against the US government. And anyone willing to risk their life, and their families lives, needs to realize the jig is up at this point... or be willing to let their families die in an airstrike.

The people you know might be law abiding gun owners. Most are. If they are rational people they will realize that they do not need 30-round magazines to put holes in paper. I have 10-round magazines (when I'm not at work). Four of them. I reload, and put more holes in paper. I've also completed government mandated firearms training, and applied for a firearms licence, had my references checked and understand how dangerous firearms are.

The right to own a firearm is a right that comes with a responsibility. Like driving a car, it needs to be legislated, and governed. I can't strap a rocket to a car, drive it fast as it can go, all the time, while drinking a bottle of Rye. That would endanger people around me. The same principles should apply to firearms.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

I carried a weapon, very similar to an M4 Carbine, throughout Afghanistan, and used it against humans. I needed 30 round magazines. They cause terrible damage (and death) to a human body. These are not weapons that belong in the hands of house-wives or those seeking personal defence. A shot gun will clear a hallway better than an assault weapon, and a 30 round magazine will put bullets into your neighbours house or a child's bedroom. There's no reason for either an assault weapon, or a 30 round magazine in a private residence.

[Per]

That reminds me, shouldn't this thread have been titled Booth Bags Baited Bear?

Are you a hunter Doc? Never heard the term bagged?

He's a Tea Party, Tea Bagger, what do you expect.

So... Booth Tea-bags Baited Bear, then?
Now that would really take some guts.

[okcanuck]

people seem to forget that when the framers of the US constitution enshrined the right to bear arms it was in conjunction with the right of the people to overthrow an unjust government... which basically was every government in existence in the world at the time... In 1776 there were no representative governments outside of britain and that government did not extend representation to their colonies...

times have changed and democracy exists in more places than just the US but its not everywhere and its not a done deal that it will last or stay... In the 1930s, while making the trains run on time, the Nazis also removed and outlawed privately held fire arms, its the first thing a totalitarian government should do according to the despot manual..

I'd say the right to own a fire arm is right up there with free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of thought...

im sorry for sandy hook, but we have no right to bear arms and we have gun control and it still happened here anyway...

The debate here isn't about the right to own a firearm, the debate is should there be stricter gun laws. I say yes because these automatic weapons are not needed to protect yourself.

[Topper]

The debate here isn't about the right to own a firearm, the debate is should there be stricter gun laws. I say yes because these automatic weapons are not needed to protect yourself.

Automatic weapons were not used at Sandy Hook.

[ukcanuck]

people seem to forget that when the framers of the US constitution enshrined the right to bear arms it was in conjunction with the right of the people to overthrow an unjust government... which basically was every government in existence in the world at the time... In 1776 there were no representative governments outside of britain and that government did not extend representation to their colonies...

times have changed and democracy exists in more places than just the US but its not everywhere and its not a done deal that it will last or stay... In the 1930s, while making the trains run on time, the Nazis also removed and outlawed privately held fire arms, its the first thing a totalitarian government should do according to the despot manual..

I'd say the right to own a fire arm is right up there with free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of thought...

im sorry for sandy hook, but we have no right to bear arms and we have gun control and it still happened here anyway...

The debate here isn't about the right to own a firearm, the debate is should there be stricter gun laws. I say yes because these automatic weapons are not needed to protect yourself.

If you want to make it impossible or at least difficult for Sandy Hook to happen again, you have to make it difficult or impossible for the kid to get his hands on these weapons... To do that you are going to have to make guns illegal to purchase so soccer moms can't go down to Target or Wally world to load up for their boys to go shooting squirrels... To do that you are going to have to restrict people's rights. and as much as you want to say its not a needed thing anymore and I agree that if it comes to the US army Vs the US people we are all fucked, but thats not the point...

As an American this is the point:

I am a free man, who are you to tell me what I can say or cannot say, who should be my God or should not be my God, or when I can or cannot protect myself or my family or my property...

If I don't have these rights we do not have a republic...

[herb]

people seem to forget that when the framers of the US constitution enshrined the right to bear arms it was in conjunction with the right of the people to overthrow an unjust government...

The US Constitution was also written in the 18th century, when a gun was a single shot, loose powder, muzzle loaded long gun with a bayonet on the end. The bayonet was probably the most dangerous part.

Guns today barely resemble guns from the 18th century.

This notion that the population needs guns to overthrow a tyranical regime is a bit off base too. Didn't Egypt just overthrow their dictator with protests and rocks?

[ukcanuck]

people seem to forget that when the framers of the US constitution enshrined the right to bear arms it was in conjunction with the right of the people to overthrow an unjust government...

The US Constitution was also written in the 18th century, when a gun was a single shot, loose powder, muzzle loaded long gun with a bayonet on the end. The bayonet was probably the most dangerous part.

Guns today barely resemble guns from the 18th century.

This notion that the population needs guns to overthrow a tyranical regime is a bit off base too. Didn't Egypt just overthrow their dictator with protests and rocks?

I would say that rights are eternal and inalienable... so do you want a free democracy or not?

I'm sure that if they had guns they would have used them anywhere good people rise up.

And for the US its not so much about removing a tyrannical government. It's about my home is my castle and I will not surrender the right to defend it.

[Fred]

Enough of the BS just concentrate your minds the murdered kids, any one that doesn't want to make sure the next 20 kids are not murdered do us all a favour

[Cornuck]

And for the US its not so much about removing a tyrannical government. It's about my home is my castle and I will not surrender the right to defend it.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[ukcanuck]

Enough of the BS just concentrate your minds the murdered kids, any one that doesn't want to make sure the next 20 kids are not murdered do us all a favour

Well looky here Fred, you arguing for more social control and me the socialist arguing for free rights... Go figure lol

The thing is "going postal" is recent phenomenon and guns are as old as the republic....something else is the root problem here...

Not sure exactly but I'm betting its something to do with the state of mental health care and the definitions of what mental health is...

[ukcanuck]

And for the US its not so much about removing a tyrannical government. It's about my home is my castle and I will not surrender the right to defend it.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Well when you put it like that, gun control is an infringement isn't it?

Edit: Yes I know that's verbatim

The concept of a militia comes from the tradion of free men organizing themselves to respond to a threat,
The very definition of protecting ones castle wouldn't you say?

[Topper]

And for the US its not so much about removing a tyrannical government. It's about my home is my castle and I will not surrender the right to defend it.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Connecticut State Constitution

“Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.”

[Blob Mckenzie]

“Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.”

That dude was just defending himself against all those kids.

As an asside I am glad there aren't as many people packing heat in this country.

[Aaronp18]

“Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.”

This is why Booth shot the bear. Just exercising his constitutional right.

He wanted his bear arms!

[Topper]

“Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.”

That dude was just defending himself against all those kids.

As an asside I am glad there aren't as many people packing heat in this country.

Try to keep up Blob or are you busy following the Dude's pub crawl.