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David Pagnotta@TheFourthPeriod
Remember two days ago when everyone was talking all positively... Yeah, that's gone now.
Dan adater@adater
Owners furious about Fehr's stalling, mediation ploy. He's a "suicide bomber" one from mgmt aisle put it
Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
No NHL owners in today's negotiating session with NHLPA. Some have gone home, some still around but "owner-player" train left station.
You are what you eatArachnid wrote: Do I have to be Asian to bag me some of dat? Do I have to be Jewish to tap the Torah?
Yup, you’ll burn for that one Reef.Reefer2 wrote: Merry Christmas HW, or for the people going to hellHappy Holidays.
(Now I did it)
As a PR guy, the PA has been doing a much better job on the PR/media/public opinion front than the league. Not that public opinion matters much when talking dollars and sense in a negotiation room, but in terms of shaping what the rest of the hockey and sports world (ie-players, agents, GMs, etc) understand of the process, he's done a much better job than Buttman. The whole bit about the voicemail - as opposed to an actual phone call or a face-to-face response - tells you just how much the league's heart is in a deal at this time. The image presented is the players doing all the work and doing all the give and the owners letting them eat cake. Buttman may keep his job out of all this, but you'd better believe there's a lot less goodwill towards the league from the likes of sponsors, etc than before. You better believe the sponsors and broadcasters are pissed, and what they see so far is a league that is more concerned about putting the screws to the players than the game. Buttman may spin his own story, but everybody else is seeing a different picture.Benjo wrote:Nice PR work by Fehr
But according to everyone around here, the Gills (Gillis and Gilman) are MoneyBall fucking geniuses. So, what's to worry? They must have had a plan b in place right? One would think that with the MoneyBall brains they have, Risk Management would be 2nd nature to them and that all previously negotiated contracts were negotiated with this current collective bargaining agreement in mind. Am I right?Lancer wrote: On another note, one thing that concerned me listening to the TSN guys talk about what Fehr had to say was the penalties associated with 'back-diving' contracts where Luongo's contract qualifies? Does whatever puntiive system that gets agreed to make Luongo untradeable? What do the Canucks' options become in a scenario where whoever holds his contract is on for the penalty if he doesn't play the whole 15 years? What happens if the Canucks are on the hook regardless? I've always assumed that the league's stance would screw Gillis and Co. because a) they play to the cap b) they've played the cap rules like a virtuoso to stay under the cap - which no doubt infuriated Bill Daly and Co. and c) Luongo's contract. Gillman is going to have to work some more miracles if the Canucks are going to be able to stay competitive with whatever CBA comes out.
That is a little unnerving from a trade standpoint, and a clip I saw used Luongo as an example, basically that if the Canucks traded Luongo to florida and he retired with four years left on his contract the cap hit in each year would revert back to the Canucks...However, that would be a tad unfair to Vancouver as the Canucks had no idea of this consequence when signing the original contract...I am assuming that the "transition phase" would take care of that by building in some kind of protection for existing contracts negotiated under the old deal...Lancer wrote:Benjo wrote:Nice PR work by Fehr
On another note, one thing that concerned me listening to the TSN guys talk about what Fehr had to say was the penalties associated with 'back-diving' contracts where Luongo's contract qualifies? Does whatever puntiive system that gets agreed to make Luongo untradeable? What do the Canucks' options become in a scenario where whoever holds his contract is on for the penalty if he doesn't play the whole 15 years? What happens if the Canucks are on the hook regardless? I've always assumed that the league's stance would screw Gillis and Co. because a) they play to the cap b) they've played the cap rules like a virtuoso to stay under the cap - which no doubt infuriated Bill Daly and Co. and c) Luongo's contract. Gillman is going to have to work some more miracles if the Canucks are going to be able to stay competitive with whatever CBA comes out.
Playboy centre folds are Airbrushed !?Topper wrote:Once again the PA believed the League to be bluffing, raised the ante and called. Once again, the League wasn't bluffing.
The look on Sid's face as Fehr announced the league rejected the players counter offer was priceless. I bet he'll have the same look when he finds out Playboy centre folds are airbrushed.
