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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:38 pm

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RoyalDude wrote:I'm just curious as to why Gillis has been unable to find any steals outside of the first round like the Bruins have in Bergeron and Lucic, both 2nd rounders and Krecji and Marchand both 3rd rounders. Key players to the Bruins Stanley Cup win. Not one prospect of his has that potential, and pulllleasse do not mention Rodin, Connauton blah, blah, blah....


Yawn. So Gillis doesn't stack up against four very impressive draft picks across four years by one of the league's best run organizations, you're really going out on a limb there Dude.

Bergeron was a great pick out of one of the best draft classes ever (but I could complain about him the same way you do about others.. what the fuck were the Bruins thinking passing on Shea Weber?), it's beyond unrealistic to expect that even occasionally from any organization.

Lucic I think we are all pissed about. His size allowed him to break into the league almost right away but it was two seasons after the 2006 draft before he produced like a good third liner and four before he produced like a second or first liner. The Canucks didn't have a second (or first, or third) in the draft of players that would currently be where Lucic was at in that third season, and overall in Gillis' tenure have just Hodgson/Sauve who are in comparable positions to Lucic in that fifth season.

Krejci and Marchand don't compare because they each took years (three for Krejci, four for Marchand) to break into the league after they were drafted. The Canucks only really have one forward drafted in a similar spot in Anton Rodin and he's had injury problems that have held up his development... all the rest of their selections have been too recent to judge or too late in the draft to fairly compare.


Trust me danbobrob. Ain't no draft picks by Gillis and his band of merry men, post 1st round that will ever be as good as Krecji, Bergeron, Marchand and Lucic. Gillis blows monkey balls when it comes to drafting and developing.

Rodin??? Are you fucking kidding me. Maybe Gillis might have bagged a decent prospect had he not wasted the 2nd and 3rd round picks on Bernier and the 1st round pick on Ballard.

Can you imagine if we had both Brayden McNabb (Buffalo selected him with our 3rd pick Gillis gave them for Bernier) and Quinton Howden in our system? (Florida selected Howden with our 1st pick). Both McNabb and Howden are very good prospects. That being said, Gillis probably would have selected some goofball if he had the pick.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:43 pm

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Island Nucklehead wrote:Gillis' draft picks have more NHL GP than Holland's, since Gillis was hired.

Boston has had 99 NHL games played from their 2008 and on draft picks (Vancouver 76). 74 of them by 2nd Overall Tyler Seguin.

If you look at the Maple Leafs, they have 230 games played over that period. 212 of them by Luke Schenn. Same number of 2008 and on draft choices that suited up in NHL games as the Canucks (2). One of the youngest, and worst teams in the league over the past couple seasons, and their draft choices haven't cracked the roster.

Gillis doesn't appear to be any better or worse than these other guys. As others have said it's too soon to tell. Going back and saying Chiarelli and Holland found gems over a much larger sample and development period doesn't tell us anything about Gillis.


What kind of convoluted bull crap stat is this?


It's actually a telling stat. Pull your head out of your ass and judge Gillis's drafting in two - three years. You were the guy who gushed on about Detroit and Boston's drafting but you failed to mention all the guys you got a boner for were taken far before the year 2008.

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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:14 pm

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RoyalDude wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:Gillis' draft picks have more NHL GP than Holland's, since Gillis was hired.

Boston has had 99 NHL games played from their 2008 and on draft picks (Vancouver 76). 74 of them by 2nd Overall Tyler Seguin.

If you look at the Maple Leafs, they have 230 games played over that period. 212 of them by Luke Schenn. Same number of 2008 and on draft choices that suited up in NHL games as the Canucks (2). One of the youngest, and worst teams in the league over the past couple seasons, and their draft choices haven't cracked the roster.

Gillis doesn't appear to be any better or worse than these other guys. As others have said it's too soon to tell. Going back and saying Chiarelli and Holland found gems over a much larger sample and development period doesn't tell us anything about Gillis.


What kind of convoluted bull crap stat is this?


It's actually a telling stat. Pull your head out of your ass and judge Gillis's drafting in two - three years. You were the guy who gushed on about Detroit and Boston's drafting but you failed to mention all the guys you got a boner for were taken far before the year 2008.

Like shootin fish in a barrel for fuck sakes.


I don't need 2-3 years to know if the Rodin's of the world will amount to a hill of beans. THEY WON'T! It ain't crystal ball rocket science. The only late round picks that may amount to jack shit are Mallet or Corrado. The rest are bums, even my boy Connauton.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:26 pm

Even defenseman, Brayden McNabb has more points (8 points) than Zack Kassian (7 points).

McNabb 120th in scoring in the AHL DEFENSEMAN
Kassian 123rd in scoring in the AHL FORWARD
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:38 pm

Kassian has played 11 games.......he had a legit goal taken away and his team has scored 31 times this year....not exactly an offensive force those Wolves. Then again you are the same guy who ripped Hodgson about having "daschund legs" and being too slow while most of us rightly projected he would be a low end 2nd line NHLer. I can't wait until you have to eat crow about Kassian because I intend to feed it to you in ten pound servings along with a chocolate dessert.

BTW i agree about wasted late round picks in Honzig, Grenier , Clark, Blomstrand, Froshaug and Westerholm. Brutal draft picks.

I think Connauton, Mcnally , Labate, Price and Corrado look ok. Sauve got ran over by a chink....not his fault. Hodgson, Gaunce and Jensen look like ok picks. Jury still out on Schoeder and Rodin, though I was never a fan of that pick.

Gillis does need to improve at the table, but you sir need to relax a tad. :lol: Go back to the weed amigo.... just picked up a 1/2 oz of purple kush... it's magic.

Back on topic I would be ok with a Drew Shore, Alex Petrovic and a salary dump like Scottie Upshall return for Roberto Luongo.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby RoyalDude » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:58 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Kassian has played 11 games.......he had a legit goal taken away and his team has scored 31 times this year....not exactly an offensive force those Wolves. Then again you are the same guy who ripped Hodgson about having "daschund legs" and being too slow while most of us rightly projected he would be a low end 2nd line NHLer. I can't wait until you have to eat crow about Kassian because I intend to feed it to you in ten pound servings along with a chocolate dessert.

BTW i agree about wasted late round picks in Honzig, Grenier , Clark, Blomstrand, Froshaug and Westerholm. Brutal draft picks.

I think Connauton, Mcnally , Labate, Price and Corrado look ok. Sauve got ran over by a chink....not his fault. Hodgson, Gaunce and Jensen look like ok picks. Jury still out on Schoeder and Rodin, though I was never a fan of that pick.

Gillis does need to improve at the table, but you sir need to relax a tad. :lol: Go back to the weed amigo.... just picked up a 1/2 oz of purple kush... it's magic.

Back on topic I would be ok with a Drew Shore, Alex Petrovic and a salary dump like Scottie Upshall return for Roberto Luongo.


I tell you what Bogartin Blobbby...I'm watching this WHL vs the Russkies on the tele right now. I like this McNeill kid a lot. I really think ole Gillis baggy eyes needs to re-open those trade talks with the Hawks.

Hate to say it on two fronts, Yakupov looks great as well as Morgan Reilly. Also, this Lazar kid for the WHL looks like a good prospect for the next draft.

OK, I don't mind Labate, Jensen, Gaunce, Kassian, Mallete, McNally, Connauton, Corrado. But the rest can go. Schroeder and Rodin won't make it to the bigs.

As for the Kush, i'm into pickle-ing the liver now. I am actually cozying up to a little Glenlivet on the rocks tonight as I watch this hockey game.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby the Dogsalmon » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:05 pm

back to the bong...
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:10 pm

How the hell does a man acquire a tase for scotch Pacific Blue ?

I like Whiskey here and there but scotch tastes terrible.

As an asside I need to dump the beer and get back on the vodka/fruity smoothie type drinks. I went from 225 down to 200 back up to 210. My weight is up and down like a whores pants.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:06 pm

Blob Mckenzie wrote:How the hell does a man acquire a tase for scotch Pacific Blue ?


Good conversation? Not sure if that applies to the interweb, but it's clear we need hockey back, if only to have something to talk about (both in real life and with you creatures). :twisted:

As an asside I need to dump the beer and get back on the vodka/fruity smoothie type drinks. I went from 225 down to 200 back up to 210. My weight is up and down like a whores pants.


Sucking back some Yukon Gold at the moment. Not too shabby, but I prefer the Crown. Vodka might save your weight but it's still meant for whores who want to drop their pants.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Island Nucklehead » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:24 pm

RoyalDude wrote:OK, I don't mind Labate, Jensen, Gaunce, Kassian, Mallete, McNally, Connauton, Corrado. But the rest can go. Schroeder and Rodin won't make it to the bigs.


I guess that's why they draft 210 or so players every year. Some will make it, most wont. Guys like Connauton (83rd overall) rub shoulders with guys like Matt Irwin (undrafted) in AHL all-star games. Who knows with most of these guys? The draft is, for the most part, a crap shoot.

It's easy to knock these picks looking back. Schroeder was rated 5th among North American forwards, he's/was obviously a talented kid. He fell to 22nd, we bit... but how much further would he fall? It's now apparent that the four N.A. guys below him (Tavares, Duchene, Kane, and B.Schenn) are all going to be NHL regulars, but Schenn just cracked the NHL full time last season. It's not a stretch to imagine Schroeder getting some NHL games this season.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Meds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:42 am

Island Nucklehead wrote:Sucking back some Yukon Gold at the moment. Not too shabby, but I prefer the Crown. Vodka might save your weight but it's still meant for whores who want to drop their pants.


Have you tried Forty Creek?

I just finished off a bottle of Crown Special Reserve or Private Reserve......whatever the hell it was it goes off the shelf up here at anywhere from $79-$99 for a two-six. I scored it on a cruise for $30. That was some good shit.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby RespectYourEdlers » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:48 am

It's a lot easier to look back in hindsight and nitpick at the draft picks, and the whole draft picks discussion is going nowhere except in circles.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Meds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:59 am

RespectYourEdlers wrote:It's a lot easier to look back in hindsight and nitpick at the draft picks, and the whole draft picks discussion is going nowhere except in circles.


Well, RD's troll act usually sees him chasing his own tail at some point, given enough time.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Island Nucklehead » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:09 am

Meds wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote:Sucking back some Yukon Gold at the moment. Not too shabby, but I prefer the Crown. Vodka might save your weight but it's still meant for whores who want to drop their pants.


Have you tried Forty Creek?

I just finished off a bottle of Crown Special Reserve or Private Reserve......whatever the hell it was it goes off the shelf up here at anywhere from $79-$99 for a two-six. I scored it on a cruise for $30. That was some good shit.


I've tried the special reserve, and I do enjoy it. My problem is that I work out of Yellowknife, and the price of booze up there is downright criminal. I've been shipped to Watson Lake for the past couple weeks, and the drive (High Level, Fort Nelson and back up) have allowed me the chance to re-stock. Can't say I've tried the Forty Creek, but now I'll keep an eye out for it though (thanks!).

The idea is to stock up on the way out of here (without the HST), and in High Level (no wonder people can tolerate the Oilers and Flames with such cheap booze prices), before hitting Yellowknife again. Then it's nuclear winter until December when I can escape home to Victoria. I'll suffer the HST if I can see the ocean.
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Re: Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

Postby Topper » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:18 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:How the hell does a man acquire a tase for scotch Pacific Blue ?

I like Whiskey here and there but scotch tastes terrible.

As an asside I need to dump the beer and get back on the vodka/fruity smoothie type drinks. I went from 225 down to 200 back up to 210. My weight is up and down like a whores pants.

I enjoy a wee dram.

I can drink rum faster than water, and three days later find out what I said to my best friends wife. Scotch is a slow sipper. Start with the Irish and then head for Islay.
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