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BigTuna wrote:
How is Burke fucked without Luongo exactly? They're rebuilding and have a trio of very good young goalies/prospects in net.
What will Luongo do for Toronto? Get them to fight for 8th and screw-up their rebuilding plans.
us, Burke will never take on that terrible Luongo contract. Neither will a team bleeding money like Florida. Luongo is virtually worthless.
Things are as bleak as ever in T-O and the future is not bright...especially between the pipes. Burke is one bad start away from the unemployment lines and he knows it which will have him selling the future for something that can turn things around. Despite his "supposed" bad contract, Luongo remains a top goaltender in the NHL and will likely remain one for the next 5+ years.
Face it...the 10 year rebuild plan isn't going to keep Burke employed and he NEEDS Luongo alot more than Vancouver NEEDS Morgan Rielly. Gardiner is likely not going anywhere as he's already contributing but MR is 2-3 years out still.
A one for one swap is conceivable and would benefit both teams. Burke wont tank another year for the future. No way...
Blob Mckenzie wrote:Luongo isn't worthless, we aren't delusional but you sir need to learn how to use the quote feature.
Welcome back Little Tuna!
So Burke is going to give up rielly or Gardiner for Luongo? No chance in hell.
I have no idea what Burke will give up. Gardiner and Rielley both look like they will be top pairing d-men. Perhaps Burke can deal the 1st round pick( which should be mid first round with Luongo there) , Matt Finn and one of Matt Frattin or Tyler Biggs. TO has a shitload of young d-men so they can part with one if they choose to.
BB should be wanting to make the playoffs to save his own fat hide, not to mention guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul and Grabovski are at their peak and would probably like to play in the post season at some point. TO is not loaded with young talent anywhere other than d-men and they have some decent looking wing prospects. TO needs a decent young centre propect as well as one that can play now too. I would be shocked if Colborne has any impact in the league while Kadri is a huge wildcard. Neither of those players interest me in the least as part of a Luongo trade.
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Gillis will basically not be interested in anything Burke offers initially.
It's his duty to pry more from him given what everyone knows about TO's lack of playoff appearances under Burkes tenure. If we get anything less than a bluechip prospect from TO, if Luongo is in fact moved there, I think everyone will be thoroughly disappointed.
leaves fans may say they don't want Burke giving up a guy like Gardiner or Reilly but when Luongo gets them into the playoffs they (and the owners) will be more than happy to roll out the red carpet and praise BB for at least a couple home playoff dates!
Aaronp18 wrote:Gillis will basically not be interested in anything Burke offers initially.
It's his duty to pry more from him given what everyone knows about TO's lack of playoff appearances under Burkes tenure. If we get anything less than a bluechip prospect from TO, if Luongo is in fact moved there, I think everyone will be thoroughly disappointed.
leaves fans may say they don't want Burke giving up a guy like Gardiner or Reilly but when Luongo gets them into the playoffs they (and the owners) will be more than happy to roll out the red carpet and praise BB for at least a couple home playoff dates!
BigTuna wrote:
How is Burke fucked without Luongo exactly? They're rebuilding and have a trio of very good young goalies/prospects in net.
What will Luongo do for Toronto? Get them to fight for 8th and screw-up their rebuilding plans.
us, Burke will never take on that terrible Luongo contract. Neither will a team bleeding money like Florida. Luongo is virtually worthless.
Things are as bleak as ever in T-O and the future is not bright...especially between the pipes. Burke is one bad start away from the unemployment lines and he knows it which will have him selling the future for something that can turn things around. Despite his "supposed" bad contract, Luongo remains a top goaltender in the NHL and will likely remain one for the next 5+ years.
Face it...the 10 year rebuild plan isn't going to keep Burke employed and he NEEDS Luongo alot more than Vancouver NEEDS Morgan Rielly. Gardiner is likely not going anywhere as he's already contributing but MR is 2-3 years out still.
A one for one swap is conceivable and would benefit both teams. Burke wont tank another year for the future. No way...
Again, no chance you'll get a Rielly type prospect for Luongo. Not from Toronto or any team. You guys are dreaming.
Burke isn't desperate at all. He'll gladly go with Reimer and Scrivens (two solid young goalies with nice potential). He's nonearly close to being fired like most of you think. He's closer to a contract extension.
And the future looks plenty bright. 30 million in cap room next summer, a good prospect pool and some nice pieces entering their primes curerntly on the team.
If there's no hockey this year the leaves might pick first overall. They just drafted Rielly, but yeah, no future. They need to get a mid-30's goalie with a decade left on his contract to help the them get closer to 8th. That sounds like a plan...
If this wasn't about about Luongo, all you Canucks fan would say it's best just to rebuild through the draft and forget about the aging goalie.
Who the hell is going to trade for Luongo? is Florida still even interested?
Nobody wants a 30+ game winner who can play a ton of games...thats just crazy to want that...why fight for a playoff spot, its so easy to be bad, hell people might start wanting more....
BigTuna wrote:It makes no sense to give up futures for an aging goalie who can then screw-up your drafting position and still can't help you contend.
He can help contend and its not for all the future, just a piece...if to is that stocked with younguns, there is a deal. Unless like you say..its easier to build with high picks...the cost is merely to continue on with sucking,fine by me.
BigTuna wrote:If there's no hockey this year the leaves might pick first overall. They just drafted Rielly, but yeah, no future. They need to get a mid-30's goalie with a decade left on his contract to help the them get closer to 8th. That sounds like a plan...
If this wasn't about about Luongo, all you Canucks fan would say it's best just to rebuild through the draft and forget about the aging goalie.
Who the hell is going to trade for Luongo? is Florida still even interested?
Lol coming from the guy who used to come on this board and the other cc ranting and raving about how great the leaves were and that they were going to make the playoffs and arguing vehemently about it with everyone. How did that go for you ?
I agree the leaves should be in rebuild mode and if they were my team I wouldn't want them in on aquiring Roberto Luongo. He is 33,and he probably has 5- 6 good years left. i don't see the leaves making the playoffs in the next 4-5 years anyways unless they address the centre ice position which is at best 29th in the NHL with no help coming up. Their best centre would be a 3rd liner on a contending team. If I was a leaves fan I would be begging the Cheeseburger brothers to start shipping out guys like Kessel, Lupul, Phaneuf and any other veteran of value to contending teams for some legit forward prospects. Toronto's prospect pool while it may be in the middle of the pack in the leauge is heavily loaded with D-men.
FYI there will be lots of teams interested in a top 10 goalie with a 5.3 million dollar cap hit once the CBA gets settled and the season is underway. You had just hope that the Cheeseburger boys don't panic once the leaves inevitably start sucking again. Burke is on his last legs if people don't start to see some results in Hogtown.
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BigTuna wrote:
And the future looks plenty bright. 30 million in cap room next summer, a good prospect pool and some nice pieces entering their primes curerntly on the team.
Who exactly would you spend that $30 million on?
Any key player has been or will be locked up long term by their respective teams. Even if the CBA changes this slightly a 5 year term is still a while to wait and use your cap space.
The leaves are going to need to make some moves and bring in some talented veterans to help bring that prospect pool into the league. Look at the vast majority of the leagues best teams and they have a good range of veterans and young cheap talent.
Like I've said in the past though, I hope Luo doesn't go to TO. Their eternal failure is a Canadian pastime.
i understand that Lou is into the professional poker world...money says he is bankrupt within 5 years of his career ending...tooo many dollars and not enough sense...this is what happens when God gives you an athletes body(lucky) and the brain(mush) that usually goes with it...
the Dogsalmon wrote:i understand that Lou is into the professional poker world...money says he is bankrupt within 5 years of his career ending...tooo many dollars and not enough sense...this is what happens when God gives you an athletes body(lucky) and the brain(mush) that usually goes with it...
I don't know what the future holds but at this point he is a tournament player so all he stands to lose is his initial outlay to enter.
Thing is he is sponsored by the BC Lottery Corporation and they have, in the past at least, been covering his buy ins.
Luongo, who has an endorsement deal with the B.C. Lottery Corp.'s Playnow.com website, was in town to play in two World Series of Poker Texas Hold 'Em tournaments at the River Rock.
The B.C. Lottery Corp. is staking poker aficionado and noted puck-stopper Roberto Luongo to a seat in this Week's World Series of Poker tournament in Las Vegas, according to the Vancouver Sun.
He finished 634th out of 6600 players at the World Series Main Event in Vegas garnering almost 20K in winnings.
Luongo was one of the 665 lucky ones who survived to finish in the money, but he was knocked out in 634th place Friday afternoon when his pocket 4s were beaten. Luongo earned $19,227 from the $10,000 buy-in tournament.
A field of 6,598 players began play last weekend.
As an aside his brother Fabio finished in the low 400's and earned nearly 30K.
He's been playing for quite some time and while not world class is a decent enough player.
If he stays away from Bobbys Room at the Bellagio (or any of the other high stakes tables that the sharks inhabit) he'll likely be okay.
the Dogsalmon wrote:i understand that Lou is into the professional poker world...money says he is bankrupt within 5 years of his career ending...tooo many dollars and not enough sense...this is what happens when God gives you an athletes body(lucky) and the brain(mush) that usually goes with it...
I don't know what the future holds but at this point he is a tournament player so all he stands to lose is his initial outlay to enter.
Thing is he is sponsored by the BC Lottery Corporation and they have, in the past at least, been covering his buy ins.
Luongo, who has an endorsement deal with the B.C. Lottery Corp.'s Playnow.com website, was in town to play in two World Series of Poker Texas Hold 'Em tournaments at the River Rock.
The B.C. Lottery Corp. is staking poker aficionado and noted puck-stopper Roberto Luongo to a seat in this Week's World Series of Poker tournament in Las Vegas, according to the Vancouver Sun.
He finished 634th out of 6600 players at the World Series Main Event in Vegas garnering almost 20K in winnings.
Luongo was one of the 665 lucky ones who survived to finish in the money, but he was knocked out in 634th place Friday afternoon when his pocket 4s were beaten. Luongo earned $19,227 from the $10,000 buy-in tournament.
A field of 6,598 players began play last weekend.
As an aside his brother Fabio finished in the low 400's and earned nearly 30K.
He's been playing for quite some time and while not world class is a decent enough player.
If he stays away from Bobbys Room at the Bellagio (or any of the other high stakes tables that the sharks inahbit) he'll likely be okay.
you know as well as I do that once the bug bites these guys its just a matter of time...Gina will take 1/2 and the gambling bug will take the rest...i would like to be a tad more optimistic but reality gets in the way...
