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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Madcombinepilot » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:26 pm

all this talk of dead animals is making me hungry.

dead animals are tasty.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby coco_canuck » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:31 pm

ClamRussel wrote:I never said that. Classic case of strawman right there.


duh, you said taking a picture of a kill is wrong, so I asked if taking a picture of prepared meat from another form of legal animal killing is also wrong.

Baiting is legal in certain areas, and where it is legal, the distinction of what is right or wrong in terms of taking photographs of dead animals, be they raw, cooked, or being cleaned, is minimal, and that's the point of my comment.

That's not a strawman Clam, but a very valid question unless you're a vegan who is completely against the killing of animals for food, sport, fun etc.

Pay attention to the unstated implications.

Also, if you, or others want arguments without logical fallacies, maybe you shouldn't use them yourselves.

An example is this:

I maintain firmly that baiting is the act of a narcissistic coward with too much time & money.

Its not a "man's" sport, its rich men feeding their egos but can't be bothered getting cold, wet & possibly failing.


Those are ad hominem attacks my friend.

You fail to mention that Booth has been an avid hunter since he was young. He has stated on a few occasions that he grew up in a hunting environment, and it has cultural and normative significance to him as an individual.

So with that, how is it fair to label him "a narcissistic coward with too much time & money" because he conforms to a perfectly legal hunting practise?

You've leapt, and you made a damning assumption based on your personal belief on an issue.

That's no way to form a cogent argument.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Carlyee » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:07 pm

RoyalDude wrote:Nobody has an issue with killing bears, hell I'd kill love to kill the damn bear that has raided our garbage can all summer it is just the way Booth went about it, the whole bear baiting thing while parked way up high in a tree in camouflage, how fucking cheesey is that and that dumb ass look on his face while he was doing it. Where is the sport in that, real fucking challenging way to hunt I tell ya. I have a close friend who hunts black bears all the time, legally and they certainly do not go about it the cheesey way Booth does.


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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Carlyee » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:22 pm

For Clam

Image

Bleached bear skull. can you see the oil painting in the background? It is a knock off Van Gogh.

If you see a deer out in a wheat field eating wheat is it ok to shoot it (legality presumed)? If yes then your ignorant rant about bating bears holds no water. If no then there is really no talking sensibly to you is there?
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Doonald » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:37 pm

OK boys, and girls, this here conversation is getting a little but tedious, grab yirselves a sasparilla :-))))) :D
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby ClamRussel » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:08 pm

Ignorant? I suppose you could try to be more cliché.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Madcombinepilot » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:18 pm

anyone here ever eat bear meat?


I prefer a marinade of rum, coke, brownsugar and worchestershire sauce...

Bear is tasty...
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby rats19 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:50 am

Doonald wrote:OK boys, and girls, this here conversation is getting a little but tedious, grab yirselves a sasparilla :-))))) :D

Tedium on first post.. :cry: Helloo doonald
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Topper » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:56 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:anyone here ever eat bear meat?


I prefer a marinade of rum, coke, brownsugar and worchestershire sauce...

Bear is tasty...

It can be very good.

I have seen hind quarters cure in a similar style to prosciutto.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Topper » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:59 am

Carlyee wrote:If you see a deer out in a wheat field eating wheat is it ok to shoot it (legality presumed)? If yes then your ignorant rant about bating bears holds no water. If no then there is really no talking sensibly to you is there?

The double standards in Clam's arguments poke so many holes through his position it holds no water.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:13 am

Topper wrote:
Carlyee wrote:If you see a deer out in a wheat field eating wheat is it ok to shoot it (legality presumed)? If yes then your ignorant rant about bating bears holds no water. If no then there is really no talking sensibly to you is there?

The double standards in Clam's arguments poke so many holes throw his position it holds no water.

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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Listercat » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:10 am

This "discusssion" is filled with emotional rather than rational pronouncements. Whether you agree or disagree with "bear baiting" is inconsequential to the Booth story. It is legal and for good reason, mainly the hunter's safety. I don't know of anyone who goes hunting bear with a rifle let alone a bow by tramping through the bush. The guys I know either use dogs that scent and then tree the bear or they use bait and a tree stand. Those macho guys that seem to think that you should give the bear a sporting chance need to be faced to face with a wounded one while you are frantically trying to reload your bow. Deer, elk or moose are not likely to charge when wounded a bear is another story.

I know a guy who was out hunting elk and came across a griz that he shot and wounded. They went back the next day to try and find it. It found him and he lost an arm and one eye in the encounter.
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Carlyee » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:26 am

ClamRussel wrote:Ignorant? I suppose you could try to be more cliché.


ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/Adjective: 1.Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2.Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of hunting".

It is ok to have an opinion. But to attack a whole segment of society with out knowing what you are talking about is generally in bad form.

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1. a trite, stereotyped expression; a sentence or phrase, usually expressing a popular or common thought or idea, that has lost originality, ingenuity, and impact by long overuse, as sadder but wiser, or strong as an ox.
2. (in art, literature, drama, etc.) a trite or hackneyed plot, character development, use of color, musical expression, etc.
3. anything that has become trite or commonplace through overuse.

You get called ignorant often enough for it to become common place?
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby Cornuck » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:55 am

Soooo..... duh, how are those CBA talks coming along?

This thread is going nowhere fast and will be shut down unless everyone takes it down a level. For some reason, this has hit an emotional toll in everyone, and you need to get back to discussion and not just 'baiting' each other. :?
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Re: Booth kills baited bear

Postby rats19 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:06 am

Cornuck wrote:Soooo..... duh, how are those CBA talks coming along?

This thread is going nowhere fast and will be shut down unless everyone takes it down a level. For some reason, this has hit an emotional toll in everyone, and you need to get back to discussion and not just 'baiting' each other. :?


a direct derivitive of the lack of hockey...However i agree with corn...we gotta tone er down some guys.
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