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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Strangelove » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:14 pm

Fred wrote:Team mates looked after Clarke like a kid looks after his first puppy.


Right, only a true leader gets that kind of treatment.

His teammates LOVED him.

He was much much more than just one of their leading scorers.

He led a pretty average skill-wise group to Stanley Cup glory a coupla times if I recall.

Clarkie fought more often than most considered "Best NHL Leaders of All Time".
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Topper » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:26 pm

Much the way Matt Cooke is loved by his team mates.

edit, according to your first link Doc, he beat JC Trembley and lost to Billy Smith (a goaltender) LOL

and of course the comment on his Steve Vickers bout sums it up redundantly

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/87344

He has better record beating cancer.
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Strangelove » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:00 pm

Topper wrote:Much the way Matt Cooke is loved by his team mates.


Wow talk about yer polar opposites in the Teammate Love category! :crazy:

The only category these two both fall into is the Stir the Shit category (much like you are doing here) :wink:

.... difference being the Flyers were loaded with chaps who loved to scrap (they said: "stir Clarkie STIR!").

Clarkie was the Flyers' scoring leader most years and MVP every year, a perennial All-Star.

Matt Cookie was/is a two-bit punk; Bobby Clarke is an Officer of the Order of Canada baby!!! :thumbs:

Topper wrote:edit, according to your first link Doc, he beat JC Trembley and lost to Billy Smith (a goaltender) LOL


Well Smith had 24 NHL fights, most occurring within a coupla seconds of laying on a 2-hander

(couldn't find the actual fight on youtube but found Smith got the extra two in that one)

Topper wrote:and of course the comment on his Steve Vickers bout sums it up redundantly

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/87344


LOL there are plenty of Clarkie-haters out there, chock it up to jealousy says I. :drink:

Topper wrote:He has better record beating cancer.


Hey, he didn't tell Roger to go out and get cancer.

But here's what he DID do:

On November 15, 1984, Bobby Clarke Night was held at the Spectrum. The Flyers retired Clarke's #16 jersey and unveiled the Bobby Clarke Trophy which is awarded annually to the Flyers' Most Valuable Player. Three years later Clarke was a first ballot inductee into the Hockey Hall of Fame. The Flyers created a team Hall of Fame in 1988, and the first two inductees were Clarke and Bernie Parent. He also played in the 2012 Winter Classic Alumni Game at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Rangers alumni.

In addition to his NHL honors, Clarke was appointed an Officer of the Order of Canada. The trophy he won in 1968 and 1969 with the Bombers, given annually to the Western Hockey League's top scorer, was renamed the Bob Clarke Trophy. He was inducted into three more halls of fame, the Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame in 2003 as a charter member, Canada's Sports Hall of Fame in 2005, and the Manitoba Hockey Hall of Fame.

Clarke finished his career 4th all-time in assists and 11th all-time in points, but he has since fallen to 24th all-time in assists and 42nd all-time in points (as of completion of 2010–11 NHL season[update]). His career plus-minus of +506 is 5th all-time. His back-to-back 89 assist seasons in 1974–75 and 1975–76 is still the Flyers team record and he also owns several other Philadelphia Flyers records, including:

All-time regular season
1st place - Most games played (1144)
4th place - Most goals (358)
1st place - Most assists (852)
1st place - Most points (1210)
4th place - Penalty minutes (1453)
1st place - Plus/Minus (+506)
1st place - Shorthanded goals (32)

All-time playoffs
1st place - Most games played (136)
5th place - Most goals (42)
1st place - Most assists (77)
1st place - Most points (119)

Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy 1972
Brownridge Trophy 1968, 1969
Class Guy Award 1982 -- OH IT'S TRUE! :thumbs:
Frank J. Selke Trophy 1983
Hart Memorial Trophy 1973, 1975, 1976
Lester B. Pearson Award 1974
Lester Patrick Trophy 1980
Lionel Conacher Award 1975
Lou Marsh Trophy 1975
NHL All-Star Game 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978
Stanley Cup champion captain 1974, 1975


Thanks for giving me the excuse to post all that Toppy! :D
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Fred » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:21 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Fred wrote:Team mates looked after Clarke like a kid looks after his first puppy.


Right, only a true leader gets that kind of treatment.

His teammates LOVED him.

He was much much more than just one of their leading scorers.

He led a pretty average skill-wise group to Stanley Cup glory a coupla times if I recall.

Clarkie fought more often than most considered "Best NHL Leaders of All Time".



For Philly Clarke was a great leader no doubt, but a fighter..... not so much
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Strangelove » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:07 pm

Fred wrote:For Philly Clarke was a great leader no doubt, but a fighter..... not so much


How bout:

For one of the greatest all-round players+scorers+checkers+leaders in NHL history he fought a fair amount. :wink:
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Topper » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:41 pm

Yeah Doc, Cookie Monster with skill, but when push came to shove, he cowered behind Schultz. That's not leadership, that's chicken shit.

Leaders on those Flyer teams, Moose Dupont & Gary Dornhoefer and the rest of the bucket brigade, even toss in both Smithers bro's. The guys who were Broad Street Bullies, not Broad Street Nancys.

edit: Clarke didn't make my list for the same reason Howe and Messier didn't make the list, they were punks.
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Madcombinepilot » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:54 am

whoa there Top...

You best be leaving Howe off your list of 'punks'.

That dude did more for the sport than anyone NOT named Wayne.

I understand that you have a hate on for clarke, (and believe me, I understand hockey-hate!) but Howe backed himself up on the ice, and was a class act off the ice. He was a tougher version of Stevie Y, but Stevie Y had a bit more on ice class.
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Topper » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:55 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:I understand

No, you do not understand.

I like both Howe and Clarke as players. Consummate assholes you could call them if you are into consummating assholes. But that wasn't the question.

Leading with your elbow is not leadership.
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby wafflecombine » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:19 am

Madcombinepilot wrote:whoa there Top...

You best be leaving Howe off your list of 'punks'.

That dude did more for the sport than anyone NOT named Wayne.

I understand that you have a hate on for clarke, (and believe me, I understand hockey-hate!) but Howe backed himself up on the ice, and was a class act off the ice. He was a tougher version of Stevie Y, but Stevie Y had a bit more on ice class.


100% agree. Gordie Howe = Mr. Hockey
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:26 am

These lists are hard to take serious when the names Robinson, Potvin and Chelios aren't on most or all of the lists.

All three are easily top 10 in the last 40 years.
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Strangelove » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:31 am

Topper wrote:Yeah Doc, Cookie Monster with skill, but when push came to shove, he cowered behind Schultz. That's not leadership, that's chicken shit.


This thread is about leaders rather than fighters, but Clarkie had 35 - 42 NHL fights

(depending upon which of the 2 links you prefer).

Although not that big, he fought some of the best fighters in the game (fought Tiger to a draw).

He also beat the shit outta your boy Stan Mikita. :D

Topper wrote:Clarke didn't make my list for the same reason Howe and Messier didn't make the list, they were punks.


LOFL, Bobby Clarke, Officer of the Order of Canada, and Mr Hockey were punks!! :lol:
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Strangelove » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:35 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote:These lists are hard to take serious when the names Robinson, Potvin and Chelios aren't on most or all of the lists.

All three are easily top 10 in the last 40 years.


I've got Potvin at #4 on my list in the OP.

I seriously considered Chelly for my Top 10, he's prolly 13th.

A case could be made for Big Bird I suppose, he'd be in my personal Top 20.

Let's hear YOUR Top 10 Blobby! :thumbs:
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Topper » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:46 am

I took Robinson from those great Habs teams and Trotier from the Islanders instead of Potvin, same with Stevie Y over Chelios.
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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby rats19 » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:59 am

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640779

Hmmmm.. messyface is number 1

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Re: Best NHL Leaders of All Time

Postby Strangelove » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:04 pm

rats19 wrote:http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640779

Hmmmm.. messyface is number 1

doan #10

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Ratski, that list is linked in the OP, it's wot started all this! :P

I can't stop picturing Chelios + Suter with the Hawks in the 90's.

Prolly the most intimidating top pairing in the history of the NHL!

Chelly had enough brains for the both of them.....
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