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Re: Shane Doan

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RoyalDude wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process
The Canucks haven't had much luck with old men - Messier, Sundin, Demitra. We be walking that fine line again by tossing the big bucks to old man Doan.

Last I looked RD there wasn't anyone else out there to throw money at. We desperatley need a top six power forward to play with the Sedins. We also need a playmaker for the 2nd line. If we sign Doan to play with the Sedins can Burrows be the straw that stirs the second line? As none of this money is mine and Aquaman seems content to spend to the limit then I'm all for it. I guess it all depends on what Gillis is getting back for Luongo and I'm sure he has a pretty good idea at this point.
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RoyalDude wrote:The Canucks haven't had much luck with old men - Messier, Sundin, Demitra. We be walking that fine line again by tossing the big bucks to old man Doan.
I dunno, I didn't really think Demitra was a disappointment, he was pretty much exactly what I expected and he was a pretty key piece of the offense during those transition years, at a reasonable cap hit.

Sundin was a case of costing nothing but cash and cap space, both of which the Canucks had. I don't believe the two-year offer was on the table after Sundin missed training camp, but that second year would have been bad. The first though I thought Sundin wasn't a $10 million player, but he was one of the best forwards the Canucks had and he definitely added to the team without taking away.
Strangelove wrote: EXACTLY, there aren't many players available who bring all that to the table

... and are top-six worthy.

Exactly the kind of guy a team that has trouble scoring in the playoffs needs! :thumbs:
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I dunno, Doan is EXACTLY what the Canucks need, I'd be tempted to risk a 4 year deal

.... and pray the new CBA drops the continued-cap-hit-for-retiring-signed-plus-35-guys thingy.
I agree, I feel he's exactly what the Canucks are missing. I might risk a 4-year deal at $5 million, but no way at $7.5 million. That's money you pay a PPG player on his first UFA contract, not a 30g-30a guy on his last contract before retirement. Take a look here for comparable contracts: http://www.capgeek.com/comparables.php? ... player=773

But the biggest thing is, we aren't giving up only cash and cap space, we'd have to sacrifice players to fit Doan.
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Mëds wrote: So is this the guy you are asking us about to the tune of $6M Doc?

I get that you aren't actually suggesting this as a good idea.....
Actually I was the guy suggesting giving him ONE year @ $10mil. 8-)

One must overpay for UFAs as Supply & Demand dictates, mustn't one?

And one must grasp for the Cup when one is within reach.... mustn't one?

Never would've taken you for one of those who can't seem to grasp all that a player like Doan brings to the table Mëds.

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One year? Sure. Why not I say. Multiple years at that price ($6M)? No thanks.
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@News1130Sports
Doan met with Canucks brass at the Italian Kitchen.
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Doan meeting the Canucks tonight in VAN is a clear indication how high they are on his list if things don't work out in PHOE.
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Finally some news in the Canuck world!

IF he signed here, he'd have to pick another jersey #? :o
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@News1130Sports
Doan met with Canucks brass at the Italian Kitchen.
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Doan meeting the Canucks tonight in VAN is a clear indication how high they are on his list if things don't work out in PHOE.
:thumbs:
Finally some news in the Canuck world!
Are we about to embark on another old man Sundin/Messier experiment gone expensively wrong? But I guess it's the 'mentoring' that we are paying for, not the on-ice product for what monies are being paid out for those services provided in return of.
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RoyalDude wrote: Are we about to embark on another old man Sundin/Messier experiment gone expensively wrong? But I guess it's the 'mentoring' that we are paying for, not the on-ice product for what monies are being paid out for those services provided in return of.
Well at least he'd be an improvement on Kassian for the time being and Doan can probably be the only player other than just Burrows who can play well with the twins as well.
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SKYO wrote:
RoyalDude wrote: Are we about to embark on another old man Sundin/Messier experiment gone expensively wrong? But I guess it's the 'mentoring' that we are paying for, not the on-ice product for what monies are being paid out for those services provided in return of.
Well at least he'd be an improvement on Kassian for the time being and Doan can probably be the only player other than just Burrows who can play well with the twins as well.
I would be expecting similar results as to what Ryan Smyth provided when he went back to Edmonton. Good in spots, but disappearing from the grind for stretch's. Old Man Father Time is a vicious dude. I know, I'm in my 40's, I am awfully close to ordering up a batch of Cialis.
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Re: Shane Doan

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RoyalDude wrote:
SKYO wrote:
RoyalDude wrote: Are we about to embark on another old man Sundin/Messier experiment gone expensively wrong? But I guess it's the 'mentoring' that we are paying for, not the on-ice product for what monies are being paid out for those services provided in return of.
Well at least he'd be an improvement on Kassian for the time being and Doan can probably be the only player other than just Burrows who can play well with the twins as well.
I would be expecting similar results as to what Ryan Smyth provided when he went back to Edmonton. Good in spots, but disappearing from the grind for stretch's. Old Man Father Time is a vicious dude. I know, I'm in my 40's, I am awfully close to ordering up a batch of Cialis.

Did no one watch the Phx-LA series ? Doan was far from being a lack lustre player. He was a player with an edge
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Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process
At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.
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Reefer2 wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process
At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.
+1

Doan would arguably be the 5th best forward on the Canucks (some would put him behind Burr). He's not worth $6M/4years, 7M is a laugher.
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Reefer2 wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process
At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.

I understand we are all, blessed/cursed with the WASP mentality but is the money coming from your pockets ? and do we have the Cap space to cover the cost of Doan ? and I think the answer is respectively NO & YES
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Island Nucklehead wrote: Doan would arguably be the 5th best forward on the Canucks (some would put him behind Burr). He's not worth $6M/4years, 7M is a laugher.
4 years for $5M per.
As he will not be making more than RK17.

Plus Doan will get that job security he wants for his la familia.

If cap is of concern, Ballard will be a bit of a commodity for teams looking for a top4 LD who is a two way type dman.

And Manny can be bought out if worse comes to worse.

Anyways Gilman/MG can handle that shit np.
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SKYO wrote:
Island Nucklehead wrote: Doan would arguably be the 5th best forward on the Canucks (some would put him behind Burr). He's not worth $6M/4years, 7M is a laugher.
4 years for $5M per.
As he will not be making more than RK17.

Plus Doan will get that job security he wants for his la familia.

If cap is of concern, Ballard will be a bit of a commodity for teams looking for a top4 LD who is a two way type dman.

And Manny can be bought out if worse comes to worse.

Anyways Gilman/MG can handle that shit np.
MG could offer Doan the moon but he still might not choose the Canucks...
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Fred wrote:
Reefer2 wrote:
Fred wrote:I have to believe Doan is exactly what the Canucks need and we can waffle on about the future, salaries ,how old he is, injuries or what ever , the Hell with it lets throw caution to the wind and just go for it. Apparently his daughter has had recent serious injuries which has delayed the process
At a good salary not the stupidity being offered/suggested here and they are reportedly asking for.

I understand we are all, blessed/cursed with the WASP mentality but is the money coming from your pockets ? and do we have the Cap space to cover the cost of Doan ? and I think the answer is respectively NO & YES
+1

As soon as Canuck fans give money to the organization (be it from buying tickets to the game, buying food/drinks at Roger's Arena, buy a jersey...etc), that money belongs to Aqualinni and Co - what they decide to do with it should be none of your concern. If you don't like how they are spending the money you give them, then stop supporting the team.

If you gave your friend $1000 to help him out with some bills and he went out and blew it all at the casino, how likely are you to give him money the next time he asks? Same thing applies here.

For all you know, that $500 you dished out for tickets, parking, food, beer and a Canuck Flag could have gone to pay Fin's salary, yet nobody complains when Fin doesn't come to visit them at the arena...

For everyone else who goes on a rant about the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Hamuis ..etc taking home-town discounts to play here so the team can be more competitive, well this is the reason they took their discounts - when the team needs to spend money to get a player that can potentially put them over the top they have the money to do so. Imagine if the Sedins were each making 7mil, Kelser signed for 6, Burrows for 3.5, Hamuis for 6 - we wouldn't even be talking about Shane Doan. The team would have had a hard enough time to re-sign Cory Schneider.
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vic wrote: For everyone else who goes on a rant about the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Hamuis ..etc taking home-town discounts to play here so the team can be more competitive, well this is the reason they took their discounts - when the team needs to spend money to get a player that can potentially put them over the top they have the money to do so.
Someone gets it.

There comes a time to bring in an overpaid player (fuckin misers around here).

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