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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby donlever » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:09 am

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Zamboni Driver wrote:Another thing to consider with Burrows & Edler is that they might be wanting a bit of compensation for the past couple of years, feeling that they were underpaid.


I also hope the Burrows considers the story of Anson Carter.



I see what you are brewing there boss man but Burr is so much more than AC even if we just gauge intangibles.

For a further Edler debate Green just signed for 3 years and 18.25.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby UWSaint » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:45 am

The first issue is which Edler thread to put this in...

Alex Edler is by far the best offensive defenseman on the team. His skating is very good. No one on the team can spring a breakaway like Edler. He has a great shot but the vision not to use it all the time. He has an off the charts offensive IQ.

Defensively, he generally doesn't get out of position (as much as Bieksa or (obviously) Ballard), but doesn't aniticpate the play as well as Hamhuis. He can lay the body as well as anyone on the back end, but conserves this ability. He is big, and while he doesn't play huge, he is no wallflower. This restraint can frusturate fans, but we've seen he can bring it and he doesn't waste a lot of time needlessly in the penalty box.

He is, in short, the most complete defenseman on this team. And he is 26 years old. While he is not yet that #1 that can anchor a defensive unit, eat up 27 minutes per game, and allow a team to carry a barely-NHL-competent #5-7, I don't rule that out of Edler's potential and his downside for the next 6 or 7 years (absent injuries) is what to get the player we see today. And that's a very, very good player.

The criticism, near as I can tell, is that he made some mistakes. People wanted Kevin Bieska's head on a pike after the Chicago series in 2010 for the same reason, and many rumored him gone. (At that time, I had my frusturations with Bieksa, but thought the Canucks might be getting a better long term value from him than Ehrhoff and suggested that if the Canucks wanted to move a defenseman for a return, it should be Ehrhoff.) If that Canucks were to have lost to Chicago in the first round of 2011, it would be Hamhuis, whose normally cool play experienced far too many blips (that came back in goals against).

In the 2011 series against Nashville, Suter couldn't contend with the Canucks pressure and was overstretched. He was a very good player then as now, but far from perfect. His turnovers led directly to goals. Look what he got paid! Drew Doughty is another -- he quality defenseman in all zones that can do many things exceptionally well, but his play and confidence does result in errors.

Few are perfect; many whose value comes as a function of assisting the offense from the defensive position do so by taking well-timed risks. I think Edler's play is entirely in line with reasonable expectations and he is a core player.

Alex Edler will make at least $6 million per year on the FA market absent material changes in the CBA. The Canucks would do well to lock him up for $5.5 million now if that's an option.

As far as trading him, it is always reasonable to consider a player in a deal; it is all about the return. Interesting to see Weber's name mentioned, as my earlier comments on obtaining Weber have noted that Edler would likely have to be the critical piece in return.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby UWSaint » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:55 am

donlever wrote:For a further Edler debate Green just signed for 3 years and 18.25.


When Green had his great year, he was scoring like a first line forward. A player with that track record, even if only average defensively, makes this kind of green in the FA market.... This isn't even the UFA market, as at least one of these three seasons is an RFA-depressed wage.

But Green's o-production was a two year blip, and I don't see Green coming anywhere close to that level of production again.

And being an average on defense as a defenseman is a much greater liability than being an average on defense winger. And may might think it charitable to consdier Green average defensively.

Who would you rather have -- Edler or Green. To me, it isn't close.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby donlever » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:04 pm

Edler.

That's not even taking into account Greens injury issues over the past two years.

Has he even played 82 games combined over that span?
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Fred » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:11 pm

I will say this Green was outstanding for the Kings in the play-offs. IMO he outplayed Mitchell. PLays a tough game dishes out a lot of hits. He turned down Kassian a couple of times, which I don't like.

I recall the year the Hawks won the Cup they had Sopel play a defensive role, who would have guessed it. But that's versatility for you. Green can do the same. But I'd still rather have Edler :D
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby donlever » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:19 pm

Mike Green Fred.

Washington.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Jovocop » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:02 pm

donlever wrote:Mike Green Fred.

Washington.


That was Greene, not Green anyway... :lol:
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Blob Mckenzie » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:17 pm

donlever wrote:Mike Green Fred.

Washington.


Makes a guy wonder if Fred thinks the Kassian that plays here is Matt.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby vic » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:39 pm

UWSaint wrote:Defensively, he generally doesn't get out of position (as much as Bieksa or (obviously) Ballard), but doesn't aniticpate the play as well as Hamhuis. He can lay the body as well as anyone on the back end, but conserves this ability. He is big, and while he doesn't play huge, he is no wallflower. This restraint can frusturate fans, but we've seen he can bring it and he doesn't waste a lot of time needlessly in the penalty box.


This is probably where Garrison comes into play....using the LA Kings as the benchmark now, they had 3 d-lines with an offensive and defensive pairing. The Canucks now have 2.

With JG taking care of the defensive side of the game, and getting the puck out of danger, Edler can start using more of his offensive skills - it's also one of the reasons (IMO), Bieksa's been looking so good out there now, he knows if he makes a mistake, The Hammer's back there to bail him out.


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donlever wrote:Mike Green Fred.

Washington.


Makes a guy wonder if Fred thinks the Kassian that plays here is Matt.


Or even if our second line centre is Kessel
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Aaronp18 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:12 pm

:rofl:

What the ....

I thought they we were talking about Andy Greene.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby rats19 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:23 pm

And I thought they were talking about Red Green...keep your sticks on the ice...
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:14 pm

Fred wrote:I will say this Green was outstanding for the Kings in the play-offs. IMO he outplayed Mitchell. PLays a tough game dishes out a lot of hits. He turned down Kassian a couple of times, which I don't like.

I recall the year the Hawks won the Cup they had Sopel play a defensive role, who would have guessed it. But that's versatility for you. Green can do the same. But I'd still rather have Edler :D


6.1 mill per year seems like an awful lot for Matt Greene doesn't it Fred? (Smile)
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Fred » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:17 pm

Yeah it sure does. I'm not enamoured with the money just the players skill
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:19 pm

donlever wrote:Edler.

That's not even taking into account Greens injury issues over the past two years.

Has he even played 82 games combined over that span?


Green was also a RFA, not an URFA like Edler will be next year.

Green would get even more then 6 on the open market IMO.
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Re: Alex Edler's next contract

Postby Fred » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:56 pm

Oooops wrong Green, I was thinking Matt Green from LA, :oops: Mike Green not sure I would want him certainly not at that price. Not my idea of a defensman, probably don't see him enough to make a judgement
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