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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby SKYO » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:46 am

Potatoe1 wrote:
Groovypippin wrote:I have a funny feeling that if one of our D prospects makes the leap this it will be Frank Corrado. I think he's a real gem and can can actually play his position and keep goals out of the net, which is K-Conn's giant fault right now.



Isn't Corrado going back to Jr. next season?

He's a 2011 CHL pick, usually that means 2 years with his Jr team before he's eligible to play in the AHL.

Yeah I don't see Corrado making the club in the foreseeable future, maybe in 2014 - playing the Tanev role, sporadically as the 6th dman.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby coco_canuck » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:26 am

Potatoe1 wrote:I don't think either guy is capable of giving reliable 3rd pairing minutes and Andrew Alberts is also a big question mark especially when things crank up in the playoffs. They really need another guy who can play in the 7 spot, or they will likely have to make a move at the deadline IMO.


What we need is another Aaron Rome type for depth.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:31 am

For those who like checking out the advanced stats stuff here are some of the articles that have been written about Garrison over the past few years.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/07/1 ... e-pairing/

There’s more to those heavy minutes than simple ice-time. Of the Panthers’ six regular defenders, four broke just about even in terms of starting in the offensive versus the defensive zone – the exceptions were Weaver and Garrison, who started in their own end 60.0% of the time. Not only did they take on a ton of defensive minutes, but they did it against the best players – Garrison and Weaver finished first in both Quality of Competition and Relative Corsi Quality of Competition.
Despite that, no pairing in Florida was less likely to be scored on than Weaver and Garrison – they averaged around 2.00 goals against per 60 minutes of even-strength ice-time. They were outshot by a slight margin, but given the minutes they were playing that’s an accomplishment, not a criticism.


http://canucksarmy.com/2012/7/1/jason-g ... n-afterall

Last season, Jason Garrison scored 16 goals, and added 17 assists while playing on Brian Campbell's right-side. He shot a ludicrous 9.6% in the regular seasons - a totally unsustainable number - and for the most part his point production is a mirage. Before you let your imagination run wild, know this: Jason Garrison is not a "power-play quarterback" and he is not, in all likelihood, a guy who will regularly score 10 goals per season or put up forty points.

What he does do, however, is post terrific possession numbers while bringing a degree of versatility to the blueline, which, the Canucks have lacked over the past several seasons. In 2010/11 he played the left-side with Mike Weaver, they were tasked with Florida's most difficult minutes, and they combined to form one of the best, under-rated shutdown defensive pairings in the NHL. This past season, he bumped over to play the right-side on a more offensively oriented defensive pairing with Brian Campbell - and he produced offense, while tilting the ice in Florida's favour. In short, Garrison is a swiss army knife blueliner, who can do a little bit of everything, and he brings with him an absolute cannonade point shot for good measure
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby ukcanuck » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:59 am

Potatoe1 wrote: In short, Garrison is a swiss army knife blueliner, who can do a little bit of everything, and he brings with him an absolute cannonade point shot for good measure


I like this sentence especially the Napoleonic metaphor :)
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Todd Bersnoozi » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:16 pm

Well, the canucks have a tendincy to bring on the rejects from buffalo and florida: pyatt, bernier, baltard, booth, kassian and now garrison, hopefully the last 2 will pan out a bit better. :P
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:30 pm

Todd Bersnoozi wrote:Well, the canucks have a tendincy to bring on the rejects from buffalo and florida: pyatt, bernier, baltard, booth, kassian and now garrison, hopefully the last 2 will pan out a bit better. :P


He's not a reject, the Panthars wanted him back but not at the 5 mill for 5 he was asking for.

If you look at their current blue line contracts + their RFA's + their prospect pool it is easy to see why.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Uncle dans leg » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:36 pm

My god...how can we possibly start throwing Kassian under the bus already???? He's 21 for fux sakes
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Boston Canucker » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:20 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:My god...how can we possibly start throwing Kassian under the bus already???? He's 21 for fux sakes


Because a number of Canucks fans love to eat their young.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby SKYO » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:26 pm

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Uncle dans leg wrote:My god...how can we possibly start throwing Kassian under the bus already???? He's 21 for fux sakes


Because a number of Canucks fans love to eat their young


Blame Alain
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Boston Canucker » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:33 pm

SKYO wrote:
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Uncle dans leg wrote:My god...how can we possibly start throwing Kassian under the bus already???? He's 21 for fux sakes


Because a number of Canucks fans love to eat their young


Blame Alain


This has been going on in Van since way before Alain.

Fans on the old board had the Sedins traded about a million different ways before they reached their potential, and many were furious that we matched Philly's offer for Kesler.

Canucks fans eating their young; a long, long freaking tradition...
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Potatoe1 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:33 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote:My god...how can we possibly start throwing Kassian under the bus already???? He's 21 for fux sakes



Because he came in at 20 and wasn't super awesome at the NHL level. That means he sucks. :roll:

Whats funny is that if Zack hadn't played in the NHL last year and simply spent the whole year in the AHL people would be absolutely drooling given he scored at a 40 goal pace and dominated the offensive boards.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby UWSaint » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:44 pm

While there is some risk to signing players to a long term deal, this has been the trend under the structure of the current CBA -- a structure that I doubt will be overhauled in this round of negotiations.

What we have seen is that even if a player is overpaid, the increasing cap means that the FA market is increasingly pricy, making overpaid-but-NHL-caliber players become less overpaid through time. The apparent risk of a long term deal isn't actual. The marginal "dump" of an underperforming contract decreases through time and some "dumps" become hockey trades as markets move. Also, a number of teams need to take on salary to ensure that they are going to have a cap floor problem and some teams will be willing to take on a less-than-ideal contract to make this work. Other teams can't compete in the free agent market because they have undesirable FA conditions and must go through the trade route. The bottom line is that less-than-ideal-but-not-albatross contracts can be easily moved in today's NHL. And even albatross contracts can find a home for a cap-floor dweller. Finally, for a team like the Canucks that is willing to eat cap by reassigning players to the minors, the loss is borne by the owner but the valuable commodity known as "cap space" can be restored (here is where the Cancucks should worry about a change in the next CBA). The Canucks will take on other teams’ Reinprecht’s and Parent’s, etc. – so even if you don’t want to eat money, you can often find a team that will. At any rate, all of this suggests that long term contracts are rational decisions in a world of increasing caps, particularly for contracts that end when the player is 33.

Where deep pocket teams like the Canucks are exposed to the greatest risk of creating situations they can not maneuver out of is when GM’s are too generous with NMCs, and less so with NTC’s. (I don't know whether Garrison has one). While players might waive these clauses, there is always a chance that players will refuse, will control the destination (and limit maximum return) and there is a negative cost to asking a player to waive -- because it acts as a signalling device to other free agents that want an NMC/NTC. (I have a lot more to say on NMC/NTCs, but another time).

Bottom line – the term doesn’t concern me and I think the Canucks are much stronger with Garrison than Salo + Rome. He fits the second-tier versatile all-around model that the Canucks have based their d-core on during the GMMG reign. He fits into the salary structure for the purposes of respecting Hamhuis and Bieksa's contracts, and he is signed for his prime years.

If I have a concern, it is unrelated to this signing. It is that second-tier versatile d-man model may not be as effective as the 1D-stud surrounded less versatile contributors (the PK specialist, the shut down guy, the hitter, the second PP QB, etc.). But this 1-D stud player is almost never available in free agency. What makes this year a little different is that Suter arguably is this kind of player, or at least a lot of people think he is. I am not as sold on Suter (he’d be the Canucks best D, but I’m not sure he’s the guy I’d put all in with). So on the whole, I think GMMG’s approach of staying out of the Suter sweepstakes, getting another top 4 guy, and hoping Edler takes another step forward while Hamhuis and Bieksa do not backslide is reasonable. If GMMG wanted to adopt a 1-D stud approach, he’d do better in the trade market, but one has to assume any other team would demand Edler as part of the return.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby SKYO » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:48 pm

Again the Twins got some leeway(sp?)...granted their draft position probably helped in their psyche.

And what better way to train under the tutelage of Doan for Kass? If MG wants Kass to be a pro power forward, he should help him a all costs.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby Boston Canucker » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:34 pm

SKYO wrote:Again the Twins got some leeway(sp?)...granted their draft position probably helped in their psyche.

And what better way to train under the tutelage of Doan for Kass? If MG wants Kass to be a pro power forward, he should help him a all costs.


I'm talking about the view of the fans, and no they did not get much leeway from many fans, not at all. "Trade the Sedins" were the most popular three words on the CC board for a number of years.
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Re: CANUCKS SIGN UFA JASON GARRISON

Postby herb » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:46 pm

A decent signing and one that I can't get too excited about or find anything bad to say about at this point. The term is long, but that appears to be par for the course these days with free agent signings. I guess the only real negative is that he does not have much history in the NHL with fewer than 200 games played.

It is a big commitment though, but if the G52 Bomber, as he was known in Miami, can put up 10-15 goals a season with solid two way play AND plays well on the right side he'll be a good fit. He seems like he is a versatile, two way defenseman with size, good skating, a good outlet pass and a cannon of a shot. Garrison is currently our only dman who can play anywhere within our pairings, which will be a big benefit.

UW's commentary on GMMG's top 4 d defense model is bang on. I think it's a good model, however I would much prefer having a stud #1 (a Chara, Lidstrom, Weber, Pronger, Niedermeyer, etc.) with a couple of specialists and two other top 4 d types. We all know that those stud #1 guys don't come available often, and there are only a handful in the league.

The Canucks have arguably never had a #1 defenseman. Jovanovski may have been the closest thing to one here, but his standing as a #1 is debatable at best and did not last long if he was at all.
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