Offseason Wheelings and Dealings

[Island Nucklehead]

His cap hit is basically MayRays minus the cut back. I dont see how the Ilses would move him. Gaining salary might be good for them this summer at the expense of a solid up and comer?

Well the Isles would move him if Gillis can sell Raymond as an adequate/step down replacement. Their D consists of Streit, Hamonic, Matt Donovan and Andrew MacDonald. Ballard would be a no 3 and might actually get used as he's supposed to (top-4 role). The thinking being what you lose going from Okposo-Raymond, you gain with Ballard's addition.

It works for Gillis because Okposo is a better top-6 option than Raymond, and you gain that bottom-6 grit in Martin. Not to mention you rid yourself of Ballard's contract. That's not saying Ballard and Raymond aren't good hockey players, they just don't fit on this team.

[tantalum]

2nd) Various reports (Tessier, TSN et al) are saying that Pavelec, a Restricted Free Agent, and the club have hit a snag in negotiations. Pavelec seems to be asking for far more than market value.

And lastly, yes, Pavelec had a decent season, but his presence in net was as effective as the team overall. Decent, not nearly good enough.

Furthermore there are rumours of Pavelec chasing the big KHL money. If so the Jets are in a whole world of hurt when it comes to goaltending.

[Hockey Widow]

I can't see Tampa really planning on that goalie duo and thinking they can be a contender. I also think Winnipeg will free up the salary and term to get the goalie they have. But all of this uncertainty helps MG if he is patient. A deal on draft day would be nice from a news point of view but if teams are shut out on draft day and feeling the hurt mid July we may be able to do a better deal. Of course this means getting Cory under contract before July 1 or taking him to arbitration to protect his rights.

We have two great goalies and are in the position to trade either one. So even if the market for say Luongo is small we have leverage in that we can threaten to take him off the market and trade Schneider. If Toronto covets Luongo and I think they do they will have a ton of internal pressure to make a deal.

[RoyalDude]

Regarding Kane, I just don't see the Jets not doing all that they can to keep him in the organization. He's like the face of the organization. It would be very bad business for the city of Winnipeg and the NHL if Winnipeg is unable to sign Kane just after the honeymoon season there. If Kane becomes available, we simply do not have parts to be a player in those sweepstakes.

[RoyalDude]

Here is how it will go down

- Luongo, Jensen, Raymond, Ballard and Bieksa to Montreal for Price and their 2012 1st round pick.
- We then trade Schneider, Booth and Schroeder to Columbus for Ryan Johansen and their 2nd overall pick.
- We then trade Montreals 3rd overall pick and Columbus 2nd overall pick to Winnipeg for Evander Kane
- We sign Schultz
- We sign Garrison
- We draft Ulf Samuelsson's kid with our 1st round pick

Line- up

Hank Dank Burrows
Kane Kesler Kassian
Higgins Johansen Hansen
Volpatti Lappiere Pinizotto

Hamhius Garrison
Schultz Edler
Tanev Alberts

Price
Lack

[Island Nucklehead]

Here is how it will go down

- Luongo, Jensen, Raymond, Ballard and Bieksa to Montreal for Price and their 2012 1st round pick.
- We then trade Schneider, Booth and Schroeder to Columbus for Ryan Johansen and their 2nd overall pick.
- We then trade Montreals 3rd overall pick and Columbus 2nd overall pick to Winnipeg for Evander Kane

Luongo, Jensen, Raymond, Ballard, Bieksa, Schneider, Booth, Schroeder.

For

Price, Johansen and Kane.

We're a worse team.

You traded two no.1 goalies, two top-4 D, 1 top-6 winger, 1 top-9 winger, and the organizations 2 top prospects for a no.1 goalie, a top-6 winger and a Centre with first-line potential.

Pass on all of it except the Columbus deal. And I doubt Columbus goes for that package.

[RoyalDude]

Here is how it will go down

- Luongo, Jensen, Raymond, Ballard and Bieksa to Montreal for Price and their 2012 1st round pick.
- We then trade Schneider, Booth and Schroeder to Columbus for Ryan Johansen and their 2nd overall pick.
- We then trade Montreals 3rd overall pick and Columbus 2nd overall pick to Winnipeg for Evander Kane

Luongo, Jensen, Raymond, Ballard, Bieksa, Schneider, Booth, Schroeder.

For

Price, Johansen and Kane.

We're a worse team.

You traded two no.1 goalies, two top-4 D, 1 top-6 winger, 1 top-9 winger, and the organizations 2 top prospects for a no.1 goalie, a top-6 winger and a Centre with first-line potential.

Pass on all of it except the Columbus deal. And I doubt Columbus goes for that package.

Alright, I may have to tweak this one a little. I really could care less about Booth, Ballard (A top 4 D-man???) and Raymond. You guys hate Raymond and Ballard, now you like them??? Jensen and Schroeder are relative unknowns, who knows what their future holds so the only 3 good pieces in all of this are Luongo, Schneider and Bieksa. Is Luongo, Schneider and Bieksa for Evander Kane, Carey Price and Ryan Johansen bad for us? I say we win that All B.C. Boys and young! All I have to do now is figure out how to get B.C. boy Jamie Benn out of Dallas. Fuckin hell.

[CFP!]

Dude's been hitting the same pipe as Hjumamophoilio.

That Price deal is atrocious. I would consider Lu straight up for Price, nothing more - especially adding Jensen.

[RoyalDude]

Dude's been hitting the same pipe as Hjumamophoilio.

That Price deal is atrocious. I would consider Lu straight up for Price, nothing more - especially adding Jensen.

Yeah but you are forgetting about Mon'Real's 3rd overall pick, that is the key acquisition here. Hey CFP, I'm working on a proposal to get Jamie Benn, you got any suggests?

[CFP!]

Dude's been hitting the same pipe as Hjumamophoilio.

That Price deal is atrocious. I would consider Lu straight up for Price, nothing more - especially adding Jensen.

Yeah but you are forgetting about Mon'Real's 3rd overall pick, that is the key acquisition here. Hey CFP, I'm working on a proposal to get Jamie Benn, you got any suggests?

I'm not forgetting, either way our win now "mode" is out the window and depth gone.

As for Benn and your "new"(?) attachment to BC boys I would think Dallas would be swinging for the fences with him if he was even available. I would think one of Cory/Roberto/Edler/Kesler plus would be involved. Either way I dont them as good trading partners at this time.

Dallas
Roberto
Ballard/Tanev

Van
Benn
J. Campbell

[SKYO]

I think Minnesota will be landing one of Parise or Suter, not sure if they can do both. Wouldn't be surprised if Suter signs with Detroit, but uh, isn't Detroit in the East??? It's gonna be interesting. Either way, if Suter signs with a team not named Nashville doesn't that pretty much guarantee that Weber is gone? Does Weber want to play close to home like Suter???? Poor Nashville, if they lose both players for wanting to play elsewhere. It's a pivotal moment in the history of this franchise if you ask me.

I have a feeling they do.

And I still think Minnesota is guilty of tampering... or at least creatively circumventing the tampering rules.

Don't know about tampering, but I have a sinking feeling both will do the ol' bosh/james - miami thing.

Even jawandapuck has his sleuthing theory:

That’s interesting that you mention Suter’s wife, Becky. She a business school grad from U of Wisconsin. Ryan Suter met her there during his one and only year playing for the badgers.

Ultimately, it may be Suter’s wife responsible for Weber’s eventual exit from NSH.

Weber seemed content to sign a multi-year deal with NSH back in 2010. But as contract talks gradually wore on, I suspect his buddy Suter at some point told him, “Hey Shea, I don’t know if you really want to sign a long term deal, brah. I think there’s a good chance I might be signing elsewhere my deal is up.”

I think Suter wants out because he wants to do something nice for his wife, who still lists herself as working for her dad’s real estate firm, which is in Minneapolis. It just so happens, Zach Parise is also from Minneapolis and he and Ryan Suter are known to be friends. I think those two have a plan that involves the Wild.

Parise bought a lake front mansion in suburban Minneapolis last summer and will be married, (likely) at the golf course across from his house, to his North Dakota fiancee on July 21. Suter and his wife were married at that same country club a few years ago.

So as Parise and Suter’s plans started to form, likely over the Olympics, perhaps solidifying last season, Weber’s tune started changing last spring about signing longterm in NSH. As you know, he ended up letting the negotiation go to (team elected) arbitration, ultimately picking the one year award instead of the two.

I recall hearing on Team 1040 last season, one of the local reporters saying that Weber told him about Vancouver during the Olympics, “this wouldn’t be a bad place to play, eh” (or something to that effect). He’s also on record as saying Vancouver is his favorite road city because “it’s close to home.” And as you stated, it’s close to home for his fiancee, Bailey.

So there you go, the moral of the story could very well end up being: if you want to know where a player is going to sign, check with the wives.

Not to mention Minny's GM looking like he'll hand em a blank cheque, plus Minny's prominence with the American university hockeybed. etc etc.

[TDA Rum]

It is so funny to me how everyone under values our players, we have been the best team in the league for the last 2 years, but everyone seems to want to give our players away for little in return.... it truly baffles me how one sided some of the deals that are brought up are... most of the deals are so one sided for the other teams it is insane... you might not like all of our players but i am sure the rest of the GM's have a higher regard for them than some of you people do, at least try to make them logical and fair... When Gillis does make his moves i am sure most of you will be very surprised at the quality of return that he gets back... i can't wait for the real trades to happen so we can drop the fantasy and get back to reality...

[Island Nucklehead]

Dallas
Roberto
Ballard/Tanev

Van
Benn
J. Campbell

Lehtonen was top-10 in both save% and GAA, last season. While Jack Campbell is a few years away, Lehtonen is more than capable of holding the fort.

I think the deal would be more along the lines of Burrows + Tanev (and maybe+), and I'd do it.

[CFP!]

Dallas
Roberto
Ballard/Tanev

Van
Benn
J. Campbell

Lehtonen was top-10 in both save% and GAA, last season. While Jack Campbell is a few years away, Lehtonen is more than capable of holding the fort.

I think the deal would be more along the lines of Burrows + Tanev (and maybe+), and I'd do it.

I'd agree he is capable, however he had a very piss poor start his first half season or so. There will need to be a desicion made this year about the GT'ing and going on Dudes assumption Benn is available our best chip (IMO-that would even be close to what Dallas wants would be ) one of our goalies.

IMO Burrows and Tanev dont equal Benn.

[Island Nucklehead]

I'd agree he is capable, however he had a very piss poor start his first half season or so. There will need to be a desicion made this year about the GT'ing and going on Dudes assumption Benn is available our best chip (IMO-that would even be close to what Dallas wants would be ) one of our goalies.

IMO Burrows and Tanev dont equal Benn.

Oh I don't think Benn is available at all. I doubt Dallas would trade him.

If they were, they would want a top-6 Forward, someone with upside, and probably a high pick. Think of what Mike Richards fetched...

Burrows covers base 1, he's a quality player at a good price. Tanev has that top-4 potential, if he could figure out an offensive game he'd be there already.

Either way, I don't think we're good trading partners for Dallas. They don't NEED a goalie (they might like an upgrade but not at the expense of Benn). And even if they were going to trade Benn, they would want someone younger than our current core of skill guy. Think a Benn for Evander Kane type trade...