Potatoe1 wrote: on the aggregate GMMG has been absolutely fantastic in his 4 years.
Fantillyastic? In 4 Years?
Let us compare, truly Fantillyastic management in a short period.
Brian Burke took over a struggling Anaheim Mighty Ducks team in June 2005 after the Lockout year. The previous year to that the Ducks finished 12th in Western Conference standings. First order of business for Burke was he signed UFA Scott Neidermeyer on August 4th 2005, the following day Burkie signed UFA Teemu Selanne who was playing in Finland after playing in San Jose. Selanne led the Ducks in scoring that year for Burke with 40 goals and 50 assists for 90 points.
The only reason Burke was able to sign Scott Neidermayer was because Scott wanted to play with his brother Rob, who was already a Duck. No Rob, no Scott. When you have one of the NHL's premier defenseman sitting out there as an UFA simply waiting for a contract offer that will let him play with his brother, that isn't great GM'ing, that's just a gift wrapped present. There weren't any other teams in the hunt for Scott because Scott wasn't going anywhere that didn't have Rob. I suppose someone could have traded for Rob at the draft and then Burke woulda been screwed.....now that woulda been a great GM move. As for Selanne, well he has a soft spot for Anaheim, that one was a bit of a chance on Burke's part, but then again, Selanne is a proven performer who has plays well below his age.[/quote]
RD wrote:Now, I mean we could compare these two UFA signings to the Gillis acquisition of Keith Ballard? and the Selanne signing to the Sundin signing here. Who wins? Burke. Who is the fantillyastic looser here? Gillis.
You're an idiot RD. Selanne and Neidermayer were both UFA's. Ballard was an aquisition via trade and Sundin held out and debated for half the season. Selanne wanted to play, and as I said already, Neidermayer wanted to play with Rob. There weren't really any other UFA's worth going after at the time that Ballard was acquired, and Sundin was the most sought after player on the market when Gillis went after him.
RD wrote:Let us continue on to another key and fantillyastic acquisition and merger by the great Burkie. On November 15th he trades Sergei Federov who was pretty much phoning it in at this stage of his career collecting his massive millions for Francoise Beauchemin and Tyler Wright. Beauchemin was another catalyst Defenseman on the Stanley Cup Winning Burke Mighty Ducks.
And who has Gillis had in his pocket with the that he could possibly trade just based on the guy's name alone? Right now he has Luongo. Before this he has had nobody, who was mailing it in, that carried the same currency value as Fedorov. Again, Burke ends up inheriting something that he can utilize with little work.
RD wrote:Let us continue...In Burke's first year as General Manager of your Anaheim Mighty Ducks the Ducks went all the way to the Semi-Finals, the Championship of the Western Conference only to lose to the Edmonton Oilers. Not bad for a first year GM of the Mighty Ducks
Lost to the Oilers? That's brutal. They were riding Roloson and had a shit team that just got lucky.
RD wrote:Fast forward to season 2006-07, Burkies 2nd year as GM of the Ducks. Before the beginning of this history making season for the Mighty Ducks, Burke pulled yet again, another amazing acquisition, probably the most important one outside of maybe Neidermeyer, Selanne and Beauchemin. He trades Ladislave Smid and Joffrey Lupul and a 1st round pick for Chris Pronger of the Edmonton Oilers.
I don't need to remind you what happened to Burkies Mighty Ducks that year but in case you forgot, they won the Stanley Cup. Yes, in 2 short years as GM of the Mighty Ducks, a team that struggled the previous season Burkie took over, they win the Stanley Cup.
OK, so Burke see's that Pronger wants out of Edmonton. Pronger then provides a list of teams he is willing to go to and the Oilers accomodate him. Pronger pretty much chose Anaheim. He looked at the roster, saw the style of coaching that Carlyle was bringing to the table, knew he could goon it up and be praised for it, and the Oiler's got the best deal they could out of Burke. So again, how is Burke getting credit for this? It's like saying, "Bravo! Well done Doug Wilson. You got Heatley.....oh right, you were the only place Heatley was willing to go."
RD wrote:Now that my friend is fantastic GM'ing. Those 4 KEY trades and signings blow the fucking socks off anything Gillis has done in his 4 years, turning on 5 as GM to your Vancouver Canucks hockey team.
So please sir, do not tell me that Gillis has done a fantastic job in his 5 years as General Manager of this hockey team. 42 years and still no Stanley Cup. The group of players gift wrapped by previous mgmt for Gillis have been our best chance at finally winning the trophy and Gillis fucking blows it. What this organization needed from Gillis was what the Ducks needed from Burke. Burke saw that he had some very good young pieces to build a championship team around, ie Getzlaf, Perry and Kunitz. You want a proper shut down line, the Moen, Pahlsson Rob Neidermeyer line is how you properly build a shut down line. Burke is the man, Gillis is still wearing diapers. Case closed
You're right, those signings are amazing. Even more amazing is that no other GM's made moves to get those players.....oh wait.....some did, but they all had their own reasons to go to the Ducks. It had nothing to do with Burke being the GM, it had to do with the players that were already there.
And Burke didn't draft Getzlaf or Perry, Bryan Murray did. And if Getzlaf and Perry were such great pieces to build around, why have the Ducks done nothing since 2007? Why has Anaheim, with the exception of 2010/11, progressively gotten worse since winning the Cup?
So now that you've ranted, I should go back and quote your opinions of Gillis' move to acquire Pahlsson.....but instead, I would like you to tell us all exactly what Gillis SHOULD have done. Who should have have got instead of Ballard? Who should he have picked up instead of Sundin? Who should he have signed that he didn't? Who should he have traded that he kept? All you do is bitch about Gillis and rave about how badly you want to go down on Burke, you haven't suggested anything. So until you can come up with something that makes sense and was an actual possibility, just STFU already.
Moreover, look at what Burke has done in Toronto over the last 4 seasons with the Maple Laughs. Nothing.
-He picked up Phaneuf and made him team captain.
-He gave up Seguin (clutch kid) for Kessel (soft and quick to disappear).
-He brought in Giguere because he thinks he's one of the best in the league.
-He says Reimer is the real deal.