EDR???

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Re: EDR???

Postby ukcanuck » Tue May 22, 2012 10:40 pm

Strangelove wrote:I once met a Swede nicknamed Dirty Sanchez who said what Hitler spewed was easy to swallow. :mex:



talk about a stiff upper lip...
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Re: EDR???

Postby Strangelove » Tue May 22, 2012 10:49 pm

... yes the chap simply oozed spunk.
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Re: EDR???

Postby Puck » Wed May 23, 2012 9:52 am

Just when the discussion was getting interesting...
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Re: EDR???

Postby Strangelove » Wed May 23, 2012 1:25 pm

Puck wrote:Just when the discussion was getting interesting...


A total of 8 sentences from 4 different posters ruined it all for you?

Tough life?
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Re: EDR???

Postby ukcanuck » Wed May 23, 2012 1:42 pm

Personally I thought the level of discussion was going in the other direction, up as it were...
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Re: EDR???

Postby Wildfaery » Wed May 23, 2012 3:22 pm

Puck wrote:Wow. Some of you guys are so far to the right, you can't even see the middle.

Corn, you live in the Excited States, what's your take?


Am not a rightie faciist...more like a middling leftie...there are folks down here passing laws to restrict voting, a valid drivers license won't be valid anymore along with your voter registration card. that's why i've got to fight fire with fire...even though my Dad was a POW in Germany in WWII and HATED having guns around the home...i learned at a young age to properly handle a weapon, to go hunting....just in case. Proud member of the Silent Minority...gun totting libs..
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Re: EDR???

Postby Strangelove » Wed May 23, 2012 8:27 pm

Per wrote: :hmmm:

In 2002 a total of 9,369 people were murdered with fire arms in the USA.
In the same year a total of 14 people were murdered with fire arms in the UK.

Now, in all fairness, this comparisson is misleading, as the US is much bigger than the UK. The USA has almost 314 million people and the UK only 63 million.

To make the numbers comparable, we must therefor multiply the British figure by 5.

5 x 14 = 70

Still slightly lower than 9,369.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... h-firearms


70 (UK) vs 9369 (USA) = 134 TIMES the number of murders-by-fire-arm per capita!! :shock:

But in fact the number of MURDERS per capita in USA is only 3 or 4 times the number in the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

So I guess Blobby was right: There must be alotta Brits beating each other to death over soccer matches.

Personally I'd rather "take one to the head" but to each their own.

BTW Per, your site says there are more assaults per capita in Sweden than USA:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_a ... e-assaults

So are you chaps merely beating each other half to death (senseless) or what? :drink:

Your site also says, NOW GET THIS, there are 163 TIMES the number of rapes in Sweden as USA!! :shock:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes

One might argue that if there were more gunplay in the streets you fuckers might toe the line a little better.

Wot? :mex:
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Re: EDR???

Postby Per » Wed May 23, 2012 9:32 pm

Strangelove wrote:
Per wrote: :hmmm:

In 2002 a total of 9,369 people were murdered with fire arms in the USA.
In the same year a total of 14 people were murdered with fire arms in the UK.

Now, in all fairness, this comparisson is misleading, as the US is much bigger than the UK. The USA has almost 314 million people and the UK only 63 million.

To make the numbers comparable, we must therefor multiply the British figure by 5.

5 x 14 = 70

Still slightly lower than 9,369.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... h-firearms


70 (UK) vs 9369 (USA) = 134 TIMES the number of murders-by-fire-arm per capita!! :shock:

But in fact the number of MURDERS per capita in USA is only 3 or 4 times the number in the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

So I guess Blobby was right: There must be alotta Brits beating each other to death over soccer matches.

Personally I'd rather "take one to the head" but to each their own.

BTW Per, your site says there are more assaults per capita in Sweden than USA:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_a ... e-assaults

So are you chaps merely beating each other half to death (senseless) or what? :drink:

Your site also says, NOW GET THIS, there are 163 TIMES the number of rapes in Sweden as USA!! :shock:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes

One might argue that if there were more gunplay in the streets you fuckers might toe the line a little better.

Wot? :mex:

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Yeah, I know; there are lies, damned lies and statistics. None of these figures are really fully comparable. Since guns are readily available in the US and not so in the UK, a higher percentage of homicides are performed with guns in the US, and in the UK they will probably use eg a cricket bat or hurling stick instead.

Even the murder numbers are not reliable, because different countries have different tresholds for what is murder and what is manslaughter. Unfortunately it's much easier to find figures re murder than re total homicides, which would probably be more objective.

Assault and rape numbers are not comparable between nations, because in both cases the statistics depend more on how likely people are to report the crime then the prevalence of the crime. Even in Sweden they assume that nearly as many rapes go unreported as are reported, and in many countries few women dare report it as all, as there is more shame in having people find out about it. In Muslim countries you hardly have any reported rapes. And there's also a matter of definition. Remember the two Swedish women accusing Julian Assange of rape? From what I've heard it sounds like they have a case, yet Assange is bewildered. I think our definition of rape is somewhat broader than what Julian's is.

If you look at Sweden's assault numbers, they have sky rocketed, yet when you look at surveys where people are asked about violence, it seems that nothing has changed since the 60's. The difference is that when two people got in a bar fight 50 years ago, they each went home afterwards and slept it off. Today it's common that both of them press charges againt the other. :?

From personal experience, I saw more fights in one year at a high school in Iowa than I did in 12 years of school in Sweden.

Looking at total homicides per capita instead the figure has been fairly stable since the 18th century, actually fallen somewhat, but that slight drop could actually be caused by better health care...
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Re: EDR???

Postby ukcanuck » Thu May 24, 2012 6:43 am

just wondering aloud (figuratively of course) but; how would one go about finding a statistic on the availability of unregistered guns in a particular society? I ask because, the idea that guns used for foul play are more readily available in one country or another seems rather unprovable. I mean do you send price waterhouse or students and interns into bad neighbourhoods to knock on doors to find arms dealers so they can get numbers to compile?

Perhaps murders or homicides with guns is a bad way to argue against unregistered firearms the first place, since so many are committed with guns with the numbers filed off. Besides, what gun laws are going to prevent people breaking the moral code who are determined to break it in so many other ways? A better way might be to look at accidental gunshot incidents, but then you would be looking at the idiot fringe, hello Dick Cheney... Mind you, we do have bicycle helmet laws for everyone to prevent the brain damaged from posting on hockey forums, so I guess it follows that gun control laws are right in line with seat belt laws, chainlink fences in parks, ridiculous speed limits and other forms of protecting us all from ourselves...
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Re: EDR???

Postby Per » Thu May 24, 2012 7:24 am

Unfortunately, we still don't have a bike helmet law. Or... we do, but it is only aimed at those under 15, which renders it absolutely useless and counterproductive. :hmmm:

Since you are not required by law to wear a helmet when you have turned 15, but you are when you are 14, no 15-yo (except the occassional Asperger kid and part of the nerd patrol) will ever be seen wearing one. Since the helmet is a clear stigma, showing that you have yet to turn 15, no 14 year old will wear it either, and hardly any 13-year olds.

The way to make the kids wear it would be to issue a law that says you have to be 18 in order to wear a helmet. Then all the kids age 13-19 would. :lol:

So, either bicycle helmets should be mandatory for everyone riding a bike, or they should get rid of that law altogether.
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Re: EDR???

Postby ODB » Thu May 24, 2012 8:21 am

Rape statistics in Sweden... :shock:

Sorta explains their affinity of abortion.... ;)
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Re: EDR???

Postby Eddy Punch Clock » Thu May 24, 2012 9:09 am

ODB wrote:Rape statistics in Sweden... :shock:

Sorta explains their affinity of abortion.... ;)


Yep, if I was Per I would be more worried about all of those rapists without protection on their helmet rather than the kids riding their bikes without helmets for protection.
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Re: EDR???

Postby Strangelove » Thu May 24, 2012 9:18 am

ODB wrote:Rape statistics in Sweden... :shock:

Sorta explains their affinity of abortion.... ;)


Give the ladies handguns and both the stats go down amirite? :drink:
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Re: EDR???

Postby rats19 » Thu May 24, 2012 9:47 am

Mandatory gun ownership. Wonder how many home invasions would occur after the first shotgun blast taking the perps head clean off..goes viral...the photo I mean...just sayin
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Re: EDR???

Postby Topper » Thu May 24, 2012 10:43 am

Hmmmmm, virus spread in shotgun blasts. Hmmmm, I wonder if the heat from the muzzle flash would harm the little critters.


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