Hockey Widow wrote:Not surprised he is back but I wasn't really anticipating an extension. This sounds like a ringing endorsement from our owner. Leads me to believe MG will now also extend AV. He is an AV supported, the owner wasn't, but if MG now how his extension I'm sure it is on his terms. The only question will be if AV is pissed or not.
I bet MG will wait to see what happens with JQ first, and then Montreal will have to wait even that much longer.
However, there has to be a concern that eventually Alain Vigneault’s message will begin to be lost on the players. That his act with the the team will wear thin and that his effectiveness will wain. The supposed expiry date that all coaches fall victim to. But instead of me waxing poetic about this, let’s look at some numbers. (“Charroning” it as they call it in the business.)
These numbers were pieced together by mossey3535 from the HF Boards :
“Stanley Cup Winning Coaches (years coaching team)
2011 Claude Julien (year 4) vs Alain Vigneault (year 5)
2010 Joel Quenneville (year 2) vs Peter Laviolette (PHI 1)
2009 Dan Bylsma (year 1) vs Mike Babcock (year 4)
2008 Mike Babcock (year 3) vs Michel Therrien (year 3)
2007 Randy Carlyle (year 2) vs Bryan Murray (year 2)
2006 Peter Laviolette (CAR 2) vs Craig MacTavish (year 5)
2004 John Tortorella (year 4) vs Darryl Sutter (year 2)
2003 Pat Burns (NJD 1) vs Mike Babcock (ANA 1)
2002 Scotty Bowman (year 9) vs Paul Maurice (year 7)
2001 Bob Hartley (year 3) vs Larry Robinson (year 2)
2000 Larry Robinson (year 1) vs Ken Hitchcock (year 5)
1999 Ken Hitchcock (year 4) vs Lindy Ruff (year 2)
1998 Scotty Bowman (year 5) vs Ron Wilson (year 1)
1997 Scotty Bowman (year 4) vs Terry Murray (year 3)
1996 Marc Crawford (year 2) vs Doug MacLean (year 1)
1995 Jacques Lemaire (year 2) vs Scotty Bowman (year 2)
1994 Mike Keenan (NYR 1) vs Pat Quinn (year 4)
1993 Jacques Demers (year 1) vs Barry Melrose (year 1)
1992 Scotty Bowman (year 1 with PIT) vs Mike Keenan (CHI 4)
1991 Bob Johnson (year 1) vs Bob Gainey (year 1)
In summary, AV has been here for 6 years now.
In the last 20 years:
-The average winning coach was in his 2.35th year with his team and the average losing coach had been coaching their team for 2.8 years.
-Only Scotty Bowman has ever won the Cup after >5 years coaching the same team.
-Excluding Bowman, only AV, Hitchcock, Maurice and Mactavish have managed to make the final after 5 or more years coaching the same team.
-No SCF losing coach has come back to win the SCF with the same team.
-Only Keenan (CHI then NYR). Mike Babock (ANA then DET) and Bowman (DET) were able to come back to the SCF as losers and win.”
Hockey Widow wrote:MG is a big AV supporter. If he got his extension then you know it was on his terms. If he has the choice I think he extends AV. I just think MG and AV have some talking to do with respect to team management. Does AV want to stay given the hands on approach and will it really be any different anywhere else? Quebec is home but it will be more of a pressure cooker than Vancouver. Is he ready for that? Vancouver is still considered a contender. Does AV want to stay and finish the job or go on to a re-build?
This MG extension is huge to me. Ownership is obviously very pleased with the job being done and it also says to me that MG can handle the owner. So unless they have already decided mutually that anything short of another cup appearance was going to be the end for AV, which may be the case, I think MG's first choice would be to have AV back.
I really wasn't expecting an extension. I thought perhaps he would stay but with a clear mandate. Personally I am glad he was extended. As for AV I can live with either result.
Hockey Widow wrote: So unless they have already decided mutually that anything short of another cup appearance was going to be the end for AV, which may be the case, I think MG's first choice would be to have AV back.
SKYO wrote:what about Bob Hartley?
Larry Goodenough wrote: I thought leaving GMs and coaches to flounder in a last year of an expiring contract only happened in Toronto and Edmonton.