Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

[Topper]

Well I've been pushing for Schenn since just before the deadline.

Buy low is my philosophy.

A project.

A leaves project.

[Aaronp18]

Schenn's stagnant growth can easily be attributed to the Phaneuf effect.

It seems the longer your subject to his play the more you forget what it takes to be successful in the NHL.

Flames fans a screwed for years to come because of this very phenomenon.

[Uncle dans leg]

I'm wondering what the problem is with Luke Schenn as a piece coming back.Hes only 22, has excellent toughness and has been a pretty decent prospect up until he went pro. He cant be that bad already just from wearing the maple leaf can he????

Well I've been pushing for Schenn since just before the deadline.

Buy low is my philosophy.

If he was playing to his potential = unavailable.

As it stands, we could get Schenn-plus in a Lou trade.

Plays the RS, hits like a truck, sticks up for his mates.

Me likes.

(plus = 5th overall??)

(plus = Colborne??)

Thats more or less where I was thinking. This could be a very good move if we can repair the damage.

Joe Colborne is another one I have read about and would love to bring along Canucks style. 6'5" centres don't grow on trees

[TDA Rum]

Well if we can't get Justin Schultz for free on July 1st, then my next choices for young right handed Dmen would be Eric Gudbranson from Florida, Travis Hammonic from the Islanders or Zach Bogosian from the Winnipeg Jets...in that order...

[Strangelove]

Schenn's stagnant growth can easily be attributed to the Phaneuf effect.

Yup tis all aboot da tutelage.

It seems the longer your subject to his play the more you forget what it takes to be successful in the NHL.

Flames fans a screwed for years to come because of this very phenomenon.

True, but Schenn is young enough and bright enough to be saved imesho.

[dhabums]

6'5" centres don't grow on trees

Is Chouinard still playing?

[Island Nucklehead]

Of the teams you listed, Detroit and Philly, possibly Pittsburgh might be interested if they can move their own guy at the same time. Howard and Bryz may not have the confidence of the management and those teams might want to jump on this rare opportunity. Although Fleury has won a cup, his most recent playoff performance makes Cloutier's playoff record look good.

Very true. And some GM's might consider blowing their teams up to go after Roberto Luongo. I don't see any of the above willing to do so. Luongo won't come cheap, so they really need to decide if he's that much of an improvement. In Philly's case, obviously he would be, but how do they plan on dumping Bryz and his epic deal?

I disagree with your goalie assessments. Thomas is already 38 and Kipper will be 36 when the season starts. Both of them are not going to last much longer at the top. Price might be your choice as a top 'tender but he's not one of mine and Elliot, once again sorry but I disagree.

Sure. But if you're Florida, and you have a guy in Markstrom that should be ready in a couple years. Do you trade Gudbranson for Luongo, or a first round pick and a middle prospect for a guy with a better resume in Thomas? The point I'm making is that Luongo isn't the only premiere goalie available if teams want to win now.

Carey Price had numbers almost identical to Luongo this season. His team is picking 3rd overall. We won the presidents trophy. I think you'd have a hard time convincing Montreal to swap.

On CS: How can we call Schneider a top-10 goalie when there is a guy that was better than him in every category (played 5 more games, slightly better Save %, .4 GAA less and 6 more shutouts) this season? If Elliot isn't on that list, Schneider shouldn't be either. I'm okay with that, because neither has proven they can be consistent at that level.

As for your theory of what teams won't bid for Luo's or Schneider's services, I'm not in agreement with that either. When you only have a short list of top guys, every team will look at what they have and then at what they might have to give up. I still feel that to win the cup you have to have a top guy and that applies to every team. That is of course if they are trying to win.

Well that's just the problem. Every team will not be in the running for Luongo. Just because I have an antique sofa valued at $10,000 doesn't mean I can sell it to my neighbour for $10,000. What if he already has a couch? What if my couch is too big for his living room? What if I'm a jealous prick and I don't want him to be comfortable on my couch?! It's not a 30-team race for Luongo, it's probably around 5.

Who knows if Anaheim would offer us Getzlaf in a package for Luongo? It doesn't matter one bit because Anaheim probably isn't on Lou's list. Ditto for Nash in Columbus. Ditto for Eberle in Edmonton...

[dhabums]

On CS: How can we call Schneider a top-10 goalie when there is a guy that was better than him in every category (played 5 more games, slightly better Save %, .4 GAA less and 6 more shutouts) this season? If Elliot isn't on that list, Schneider shouldn't be either. I'm okay with that, because neither has proven they can be consistent at that level.

I bet there are 30 GMs that wouldn't dare put Elliot in the same time zone as CS.

[donlever]

In Philly's case, obviously he would be, but how do they plan on dumping Bryz and his epic deal?

I believe that Bryz would be up for a trade to an alternate universe....

[Eddy Punch Clock]

In Philly's case, obviously he would be, but how do they plan on dumping Bryz and his epic deal?

I believe that Bryz would be up for a trade to an alternate universe....

Been there done that. How do you think he got to this universe in the first place?

[donlever]

Been there done that. How do you think he got to this universe in the first place?

I dunno EPC, he seemed pretty stoked about it all on the 24/7 series.

[Island Nucklehead]

On CS: How can we call Schneider a top-10 goalie when there is a guy that was better than him in every category (played 5 more games, slightly better Save %, .4 GAA less and 6 more shutouts) this season? If Elliot isn't on that list, Schneider shouldn't be either. I'm okay with that, because neither has proven they can be consistent at that level.

I bet there are 30 GMs that wouldn't dare put Elliot in the same time zone as CS.

Not saying they aren't in different classes. I firmly believe CS will get to that level. Just that I don't think either belongs in the "elite" goalie category that's being discussed, not yet. Comparing Schneider (and Elliot) right now to guys that have Vezina awards/nominations or multiple stellar seasons is extremely premature.

FFS, he's not even a starting goalie. He's won 38 regular season games and 1 playoff game. We really need to hold off on granting him "elite" status.

Look at that Top Ten Goalies list, how many are available this summer??

Sorry I missed this one earlier. Certainly not many. And I'm sure we could reasonably ask for Schenn and the 5th overall and Burke would consider it.

Depending which media puppet is flapping their gums Luongo, Kipper, Thomas and Jonathan Bernier are available. Brodeur is a UFA but let's get real, he ain't playing anywhere but Jersey or a beer league. Not much else on the UFA list (Harding? Vokoun? Turco?).

So I would put Luongo right at the top of that list, depending on who wants what. I can't see Florida wanting a piece of that contract with Markstrom (31st overall, 2008) still in the wings. Thomas might make more sense to them, especially since his NTC/NMC clause expires July 1 (Ditto for Kipper, I believe).

Some teams may be more inclined to go with a guy like Bernier, who would certainly be cheaper than Luongo.

Gillis does have a bit of a poker game to play. If he waits too long or wants too much we might not find a trading partner.

Well I've been pushing for Schenn since just before the deadline.

Buy low is my philosophy.

If he was playing to his potential = unavailable.

As it stands, we could get Schenn-plus in a Lou trade.

Plays the RS, hits like a truck, sticks up for his mates.

Me likes.

(plus = 5th overall??)

(plus = Colborne??)

I agree. Burke needs to make the playoffs next year. WTF does he care if they have a draft pick that develops 2-3 years down the line? He's out of a job in 365 days if the Leafs aren't top-8 in the East. Luongo + rights to Raymond. Bam. Schenn and #5 overall. See ya Ballard, hello Parise.

[Strangelove]

Look at that Top Ten Goalies list, how many are available this summer??

Depending which media puppet is flapping their gums Luongo, Kipper, Thomas and Jonathan Bernier are available. Brodeur is a UFA but let's get real, he ain't playing anywhere but Jersey or a beer league. Not much else on the UFA list (Harding? Vokoun? Turco?).

So I would put Luongo right at the top of that list, depending on who wants what. I can't see Florida wanting a piece of that contract with Markstrom (31st overall, 2008) still in the wings. Thomas might make more sense to them, especially since his NTC/NMC clause expires July 1 (Ditto for Kipper, I believe).

Some teams may be more inclined to go with a guy like Bernier, who would certainly be cheaper than Luongo.

WDF (wot da fock) buds, Bernier isn't even near being a **starter** yet, let alone "Top Ten".

And it seems to me Thomas will play his last year in Boston, handing the reins over to Rask.

Kipper is gonna hafta stay in Calgary because they have no one to replace him. Here's a guy who actually LIKES it in Calgary and doesn't want to leave. Can't see him going, who would play in net?

Brodeur is not an option, as you say.

Markstrom's stock has fallen and he's only played 8 NHL games to date. NO WAY are the Panthers going with this guy as their number one within the next few years (so Florida is a *potential* customer).

One of Luongo/Schneids will likely be the only top ten goaltender available this summer = high price.

Every team will not be in the running for Luongo. Just because I have an antique sofa valued at $10,000 doesn't mean I can sell it to my neighbour for $10,000. What if he already has a couch? What if my couch is too big for his living room? What if I'm a jealous prick and I don't want him to be comfortable on my couch?! It's not a 30-team race for Luongo, it's probably around 5.

5 teams = MAJOR bidding war.

This isn't like you trying to sell your couch to a neighbor, this is like you trying to sell your 2012 Ferrari 458 Spider to the highest bidder amongst a select few billionaires.... each of whom are absolutely in love with said Ferrari.

EDIT doh, had to fix the quotes....

[Canuck-One]

Once again I have to agree with Strangelove. The top goaltenders list is tiny compared to the top 3 forwards or top two D. So even if you are correct in thinking there will only be 5 teams (I think more) there will still be some very strong offers made. Throw in a (a high draft) as a maybe, might, could be and Luo will move not Schneider. I love Luo and would not be unhappy if he stayed but age catches up to everyone and he is 7 years older than Schneider.
On the topic of Schenn. I have seen him play a few games and to me he looks and plays a lot like Phaneuf and that I feel is the kiss of death. Toronto really has very little to offer and even though some of you see more in Schenn than I do, my feeling is that Hedman would be the better trade for the Canucks.
If we are looking at forwards, Stamkos would be my pick but even I don't really think he will come here. I don't think Nash will either. I would take a good older vet with a top prospect and a high pick. Luo would put some of these teams into the playoffs or into solid contention, so don't be too surprised if he brings back some nice candy in exchange.

[Strangelove]

CO, Schenn would only be a part of the package coming back.

Love to get Hedman over here, but I keep hearing he's untouchable, as of course is Stamkos.

I could very well be wrong about Schenn, but personally I'd gamble on him if he came cheap.