Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

[Southern_Canuck]

I was thinking about Darren Dreger's comments on trading Luongo:

"So the Canucks may have to take a contract back to sweeten the pot.

If we use the Maple Leafs as the example, perhaps defenceman Mike Komisarek (who has two years remaining at $4.5 million per) is asked to be part of such a deal?

The bottom line is that there will be trade interest in Luongo.

How much depends in how creative the Canucks are willing to get to move him."


...and then I wondered what he said about Jeff Carter:

"100% available, though you’re right that the contract is going to be a significant issue for most teams who would show interest to get over. Jeff Carter’s a big strong guy; he can play center, can play the wing, he’s a potential 40-goal man, so in that regard of course there’d be interest. Rumour the Toronto Maple Leafs would show interest: Toronto says they’re not interested, they have not talked to Columbus about this deal. Primarily, here’s why: Brian Burke and most sane general managers would want nothing to do with that [contract]. After this year, he’s got 10 years remaining on a contract that pays him $5.27 [million] in terms of cap hit every single year. Columbus would like to trade Jeff Carter. They’d also like to get a similar package in return to what they gave Philadelphia, and that’s a high draft pick and a good young roster player. I say good luck."


To Columbus: Jack Johnson and a conditional 1st round pick in 2012 or 2013 (Kings choice of 2012 or 2013 if Los Angeles makes the playoffs in 2012, else 2013)
To Los Angeles: Jeff Carter

I think you have to take Dreger's comments with a grain of salt. Salt that is mined from the tears of Burke and Nonis. It is apparent that Dreger is trying to be Ellsworth Toohey.

S_C

[FAN]

I don't know what Dreger is getting at. He obviously has a connection with the Leafs. Does he know that the Leafs have zero interest in Luongo and is therefore sending out the message that Luongo is worth nothing? Does he think it's an impossibility that Luongo will end up being traded to the Leafs? If the Leafs do have interest in Luongo and end up giving a significant return for Luongo without sending a bad contract bad then what was Dreger thinking? He's set up Leafs fans with the expectationthat Luongo can be and should be had for cheap and then Burke pays a handsome price for Luongo? I thought Dreger was on Team Nonis and therefore Team Burke?

[Strangelove]

I don't know what Dreger is getting at. He obviously has a connection with the Leafs. Does he know that the Leafs have zero interest in Luongo and is therefore sending out the message that Luongo is worth nothing? Does he think it's an impossibility that Luongo will end up being traded to the Leafs? If the Leafs do have interest in Luongo and end up giving a significant return for Luongo without sending a bad contract bad then what was Dreger thinking? He's set up Leafs fans with the expectationthat Luongo can be and should be had for cheap and then Burke pays a handsome price for Luongo? I thought Dreger was on Team Nonis and therefore Team Burke?

Yeah I've wondered the same.

I keep coming back to:

Does Dreger think he is so high-and-mighty he can personally drive down the value of Lou/Carter with false "opinions"?

(cousin Nonis & Co. having interest in both)

Sounds crazy, but it's all I can come up with.

Saaay, perhaps it's all part of a larger Leaf-loving media-manipulation-of-the-general-public!!

A..... conspiracy!!

Hmm if true, the Hockey Gods would be angry, causing the Leaves to suck badly.

[Topper]

Saaay, perhaps it's all part of a larger Leaf-loving media-manipulation-of-the-general-public!!

A..... conspiracy!!

Hmm if true, the Hockey Gods would be angry, causing the Leaves to suck badly.

Who recently bought the leaves?

Who does Dreger work for?

[Strangelove]

...... ummmm the Devil??

[Diehard1]

The Canucks won't have to take back a bad contract in a trade - they might take a big contract back but it won't be because they are forced to.

The funny thing about his contract is it's for all intents and purposes a 6 year deal with a $5 million buyout afterwards - nobody expects him to play to 43 and I doubt he would want to. A 39 year old goalie is quite reasonable.

I expect they'll get a decent young player (Schenn, etc) a high pick (late 1st/early 2nd) and probably a project or grinder/checker out of the deal. There won't be any major salary dumps here because Lu is easily the best goalie on the market this offseason. His numbers dwarf Bryzgalov's and he got a $51 million deal out of Philly last year.

[Zedlee]

Burke HAS to make the playoffs next year and Luongo gives him the best chance next year.

The pressure is on BB...now what can we pry out of the Leafs? Gardiner, Schenn, Colborne? Does Burke dare trade a first round pick, again? I hope so.

[Island Nucklehead]

The pressure is on BB...now what can we pry out of the Leafs? Gardiner, Schenn, Colborne? Does Burke dare trade a first round pick, again? I hope so.

Schenn (RH shot, Kelowna Rocket alum) or Gardiner (fits with the Yankee motif we've got going on...hmmmm on second thought) and the 5th overall. Done deal.

I mean, Christ. If Phil Kessel is worth a 2nd, 9th, and 32nd overall pick, Luongo is worth a ton!

[Jovocop]

The pressure is on BB...now what can we pry out of the Leafs? Gardiner, Schenn, Colborne? Does Burke dare trade a first round pick, again? I hope so.

Schenn (RH shot, Kelowna Rocket alum) or Gardiner (fits with the Yankee motif we've got going on...hmmmm on second thought) and the 5th overall. Done deal.

I mean, Christ. If Phil Kessel is worth a 2nd, 9th, and 32nd overall pick, Luongo is worth a ton!

Not to mention that Kessel has a higher cap hit than Luongo...

[vic]

Schenn (RH shot, Kelowna Rocket alum) or Gardiner (fits with the Yankee motif we've got going on...hmmmm on second thought) and the 5th overall. Done deal.

Let me guess, use that 5th overall to draft another d-man because this team obviously has no issues with putting the puck in the other teams net

[Island Nucklehead]

Schenn (RH shot, Kelowna Rocket alum) or Gardiner (fits with the Yankee motif we've got going on...hmmmm on second thought) and the 5th overall. Done deal.

Let me guess, use that 5th overall to draft another d-man because this team obviously has no issues with putting the puck in the other teams net

Not sure why Luongo has to be traded for a Forward...

Maybe we draft Forsberg or Galchenyuk?

Or maybe we could ship Luongo to NJ for the rights to Parise? Or a broken Ryan Malone?

Take the best deal. Gardiner and the 5th overall pick is a pretty good deal. I'd probably take Gardiner (21, $1.1M) over MacArthur (27, $3.25M).

[Orcasfan]

Changing direction slightly, I find it confusing why some people feel Nash will get a king's ransom and Luongo only scraps and a bad contract back???

EXACTLY. And as I said earlier, pretty much all of the "pundits" were saying the Jackets would get scraps for Jeff Carter.

Luongo earns his money and odds are he will continue to do so until that contract becomes a non-factor.

Supply and demand.

There aren't many Top Five tenders out there.

I believe in fact there are only five.

I don't understand how Rick Nash at 7.8 mil cap hit for 6 more years is so desirable? I mean , if he was scoring like Stamkos, or a player like Crosby, who makes those he plays with better...then, maybe. But he is not that type of player!!! Forget about it. The money can be better spent elsewhere. I would much prefer to spend that kind of coin on someone like Parise!

Of course the return on Luongo will be substantial. But the buyer is not going to gut their team for his sake. So, I expect a good roster player (top 6 forward or top 4 D), plus a decent prospect and a draft pick. Now, depending on the buyer, it could end up being any combination of those - meaning, if the pick were a high one (hello Toronto!), then there might not be a third component.

[Arbour]

I think you have to take Dreger's comments with a grain of salt. Salt that is mined from the tears of Burke and Nonis. It is apparent that Dreger is trying to be Ellsworth Toohey. S_C

What Dreger forgets is the Canucks don't have to trade with the Leafs. Given the Toronto situation Burke really isn't in a position of dealing from strength, his "five year plan" is fast coming to a close and an eighth straight year of the Leafs not making the playoffs is not going to sit well with the fans and ownership, particularly if it is new ownership. Luongo's cap hit is reasonable for what he brings to the table and is something the Leafs need and that's stability in goal and a goal tender who can steal a game on his own.

As far as the length of the contract goes it's almost fifty/fifty as to whether it in any way lessens Luongo's marketability. To a team that has a prospect in their estimation is one year away from making the NHL and they have made the playoffs regularly over the last few seasons the length of the Luongo contract is a major consideration, but to a team who has been out of contention regularly with an organizational deficit in the goal tending position it becomes less significant, and even more so where team financial considerations aren't a major concern.

I suppose the counter argument is that there may be other goal tenders available, but I doubt Thomas is going to go the Leafs and Calgary is probably in a better position for a rebuild with Kiprusoff than without, unless they are offered the moon and then some. Burke has gone on record as being opposed to Luongo type contracts, but that was before Luongo was possibly available on the trade market and a potential solution to Burke's continued employment with the Leafs.

[Listercat]

Dreger is an authority on all things hockey dontcha know. SC the Ellsworth Toohey comparison is very apt.Ayn would be proud.

[Southern_Canuck]

Dreger is an authority on all things hockey dontcha know. SC the Ellsworth Toohey comparison is very apt.Ayn would be proud.

Hahaha - wasn't sure if anyone would appreciate the Fountainhead reference.

Dreger's comments made me smile; what a weak attempt at manipulation of the masses.

S_C