Luongo will Waive NTC If Asked To

[Farhan Lalji]

.... actually I like this pundit's idea even better:


Luongo + Raymond.... FOR.... 5th overall + Schenn + Kulemin

(then we let Kulemin walk)

None of those guys help us win now though. I love Schenn's potential, but is he really a guy that can put us over the top next year? (although a deal like this WOULD give us the necessary cap space to go out and add a piece that can help us next year in our 'window')

[Strangelove]

.... actually I like this pundit's idea even better:


Luongo + Raymond.... FOR.... 5th overall + Schenn + Kulemin

(then we let Kulemin walk)

None of those guys help us win now though. I love Schenn's potential, but is he really a guy that can put us over the top next year? (although a deal like this WOULD give us the necessary cap space to go out and add a piece that can help us next year in our 'window')

I think Schenn would thrive right away in the Canucks system.

Trade the 5th overall + Booth + Ballard + Lack.... FOR... Nash!

Let me be your guide!

[Hockey Widow]

You know Farhan I think you need to listen to what MG says with respect to a "window". He has said that his job is to keep the team competitive each and every year and the more chances you have at getting a cup the greater the likelihood that you will break through and succeed. So in other words, he dispels the window theory but clearly articulating that his plan is to not only build a competitive team now but to keep the franchise in a perpetual state of being able to contend.

Now you can agree or disagree with that philosophy, fine. But he isn't going to change the way he has been doing things to have a one shot chance at the cup.

So notwithstanding the fact that Vinny isn't going to waive, IMHO, I highly doubt that Vinny would be on MG's radar. Nash is a different story in that he has expressed a desire to be moved and is under contract for several more years. But MG would have to be convinced that he can produce not just now but 5 years from now. And it would involve moving Cory not Luongo. But Cory alone would not get it done. It would take Cory plus another viable roster player plus a prospect and a high pick. That viable roster player would not be Raymond, of Higgins or Lappy or Burrows or Ballard. it would be an Edler or Tanev type. The prospect would be a good prospect not a long shot. At least that was the asking price before so who knows what it would be now, more, less??

Between Vinny and Nash I would guess MG would pick Nash ( well I would if I HAD to choose) but the cost I think might be more than most of us are willing to pay.

[Strangelove]

Now you can agree or disagree with that philosophy, fine.

But he isn't going to change the way he has been doing things to have a one shot chance at the cup.

Well then I disagree with Gillis' philosophy.

The Sedins aren't spring chickens anymore and most Canuck fans at this point just want a Cup.

After a Cup, Canuck fans would gladly sit through a rebuild if they had to.

I think the Jackets would be fine with Lou, the big question being would Lou go to Columbus.

You KNOW Lou's good-buddy and huge-fan Ian Clark would give it the thumbs-up.

[TDA Rum]

That is way too steep a price for Nash seeing that he has never had more than 79 points in an NHL season.... I could see Schneider straight up but i wouldn't give them anymore especially with that 7.8 million cap hit...utter craziness....

And not only that he has only scored more than 70 points once....i just don't see the value there....

[FAN]

So.........you're saying that you can't have TWO aggressive/big bodies parked in front of the net on a power play?

You can, but what do you hypothetically propose? Take out one of the Sedins on the powerplay? Move one of the Sedins to the point? Move either Kesler or Lecavalier to the point and have him rotate with one of the Sedins so that Kesler and Lecavalier ends up parked in front of the net?

You make some good points, but lets not forget that the Pens haven't had Crosby for the better part of two years and so there's no way we can make that assessment. Crosby played well when he came back, but none of us can say that he was at his full level. Also - the Penguins had absolutely ZERO problems putting the puck in the net with all 3 of their lines against Philly. It was their defense and goaltending that let them down BIG TIME. Thankfully, the Canucks would not have that problem.

The Penguins have been looking for wingers to play with their three star centers ever since they won a Cup. Not having enough quality wingers to go around has been an ongoing problem. The Pens made a big trade last year for Neal. In the offseason they signed Sullivan. I wouldn't be surprised if they made another big move to get another top 6 calibre winger. Obviously with the way the playoffs played out the Pens might have bigger problems but that goes without saying. Heck the Canucks lost in the first round this year and some of us here are looking at potential problems that most us thought we had a solution for for years to come (eg. Edler and Kesler).

You can't say that I can't make the assessment because Crosby hasn't been healthy when you seem to be making an assessment based on an unhealthy Daniel and Kesler. The series with LA was a lot closer with Daniel in the lineup. I'm not saying secondary scoring hasn't been a problem with the Canucks. It certainly has been something Gillis has been trying to address. But I think the problem is best addressed trying to find a linemate for Kesler as Kesler's most consistent linemate over the years has been Mason Raymond which isn't a solution. That's why I think that if Lecavalier is acquired he'll be playing with either the Sedins or Kesler and not in a 3rd line center role because you know AV will juggle his line if he sees Kesler's line not scoring.

[Farhan Lalji]

You know Farhan I think you need to listen to what MG says with respect to a "window". He has said that his job is to keep the team competitive each and every year and the more chances you have at getting a cup the greater the likelihood that you will break through and succeed. So in other words, he dispels the window theory but clearly articulating that his plan is to not only build a competitive team now but to keep the franchise in a perpetual state of being able to contend.

Hey HW,

I get Gillis' philosophy and I don't have too much of a problem with it, but the risk in having a philosophy like that is that you end up like the San Jose Sharks......or Washington Capitals. Or hell, even the Toronto Maple Leafs before the lock-out. I'm now reaching a point where I'd rather be like Chicago or even Anaheim/Tampa, rather than a San Jose, Washington, etc.

If we want to be in a 'perpetual state of being able to contend', great. I just think it's very difficult to do and at some point, whether one likes it or not, one HAS to go for it.....before the core inevitably gets too old and you start to head into decline anyways (i.e. San Jose). Detroit is the absolute PERFECT and GREATEST example of a team that has tried to be a perpetual contender, but even they are slowly heading into decline now. In a cap world, it's just inevitable. Even attempting to build a solid base of prospects and draft picks doesn't lead to as much long term success as one would want.....since these young players ultimately get massive pay raises anyways. Again - the Ducks and Hawks are examples.

Between Vinny and Nash I would guess MG would pick Nash ( well I would if I HAD to choose) but the cost I think might be more than most of us are willing to pay.

I completely agree with you here. I also believe that it's going to take Schneider + something very significant to even dream of getting a guy like Nash.

Personally - I think this team is very close. And maybe this is where I disagree with Gillis, but I'd rather take on a stinky contract that can help us now (in exchange for Lou), rather than some guy that might pan out 18-24 months from now.

[Farhan Lalji]

Well then I disagree with Gillis' philosophy.

The Sedins aren't spring chickens anymore and most Canuck fans at this point just want a Cup.

After a Cup, Canuck fans would gladly sit through a rebuild if they had to.

Ding Ding Ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Folks - we have a winner.

Easily, the best few statements I have read in the past few days.

I would rather the Canucks have a realistic shot at winning the cup over the next 1-2 years, and then being a Chicago-esque, or even Anaheim/Tampa Bayish team for the next 3-4 years after that, rather than being a team like San Jose that consistently gives head in the 2nd and/or 3rd round for the next 6-7 years.......and then ultimately go into decline anyways.

None of us want to wait another 16 years for fuck's sake.

[FAN]

You know Farhan I think you need to listen to what MG says with respect to a "window". He has said that his job is to keep the team competitive each and every year and the more chances you have at getting a cup the greater the likelihood that you will break through and succeed. So in other words, he dispels the window theory but clearly articulating that his plan is to not only build a competitive team now but to keep the franchise in a perpetual state of being able to contend.

I think every GM wants to build a team that competes for the Cup every year but I don't think Gillis has dispelled with the window theory. In fact, when he made the Ballard trade, he defended the trade by talking about how Henrik was the Hart trophy winner and the team having all those 25 goal scorers. Gillis told the story of how he was sitting at awards night and watching several of his players up for awards including Henrik who was up for the Hart trophy and realized that the team was close to contending. If trading a first round pick to get a player who was supposedly ready to contribute now isn't made for the purposes of taking advantage of the window of opportunity I don't know what is. Of course, GMs have seen how badly a win now philosophy that involves trading draft picks and prospects for older players can be. Gillis is unlikely to gamble and trade the team's future away for a better chance at a Cup in a league that has become more of a young men's league.

[Hockey Widow]

Changing direction slightly, I find it confusing why some people feel Nash will get a king's ransom and Luongo only scraps and a bad contract back???

If it is true both want a trade and if we assume both will then provide a short list then it is also true that both may be hard to move for a true market value return or both will be easy to move. And from what I can see only the Flyers seem to think they can win without goaltending.

[Strangelove]

Changing direction slightly, I find it confusing why some people feel Nash will get a king's ransom and Luongo only scraps and a bad contract back???

EXACTLY. And as I said earlier, pretty much all of the "pundits" were saying the Jackets would get scraps for Jeff Carter.

Luongo earns his money and odds are he will continue to do so until that contract becomes a non-factor.

Supply and demand.

There aren't many Top Five tenders out there.

I believe in fact there are only five.

[FAN]

Changing direction slightly, I find it confusing why some people feel Nash will get a king's ransom and Luongo only scraps and a bad contract back???

I don't think Luongo can only get scraps and a bad contract back, but I think Nash does have better trade value because there are more teams that would be interested in Nash than teams interested in a goaltender. And based on what Jeff Carter was traded for, I do believe that Nash can net a significant return. Luongo? Hopefully a king's ransom as well.

[RoyalDude]

We need to seriously lose the Nash dreaming for just the fact, outside the fact that he is too expensive and that we would have to trade Schneider and another valuable asset, the fact that he did not list Vancouver as one of the teams he would waive for.

I would be very wary of taking on such a contract in a player whom IMO is not the player he used to be, his passion for compete is dwindling. He's the next Dany Heatly. Lets not put all our eggs in one basket peeples.

[RoyalDude]

Changing direction slightly, I find it confusing why some people feel Nash will get a king's ransom and Luongo only scraps and a bad contract back???

I don't think Luongo can only get scraps and a bad contract back, but I think Nash does have better trade value because there are more teams that would be interested in Nash than teams interested in a goaltender. And based on what Jeff Carter was traded for, I do believe that Nash can net a significant return. Luongo? Hopefully a king's ransom as well.

Exactly, if that overrated, expensive Carter puck hog can get you a Jack Johnson and a 1st round pick what does Nash get ya?

[RoyalDude]

I think we will be surprised by some of the trades Gillis WILL make this off-season. He really accented on 'We need to get Bigger, Faster and YOUNGER. I would not be surprised if 30 somethings Bieksa and Burrows are put on the market. Especially Burrows being that he will want to test the open waters of UFA at the end of next season to make up for playing at an undervalued rate for 4 years. It might time to consider shopping Burrows???