Off-Season Trade Thread - Needs/Wants

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Should we build a statue of Clarkey for you, Doc?

Saaay how about one of those fountain-statues: Clarkie pissing on Lindros!

.....or Clarke pushing his Grandma down the stairs. The water would be coming from her eyes rather than Clarkes shlong. It's more family friendly that way Doc.

[Potatoe1]

"Burke has long been against this practice in the NHL and will not do it for his own team".....

He's also "long been" one of the biggest bullshitters I have seen.

Like you I more or less believe nothing that comes out of Burkes mouth in the media.

Luo would almost certainly get the Leafs into the playoffs next year and perhaps save Brians rep.

I doubt the contract is an issue, for Burkie, he may have to sell it to ownership though. More importantly however, Lu would have to be willing to go to a team that wont be a contender for the foreseeable future.

[Potatoe1]

Boy, just looking around the league - if the cap really goes up to $70m as it's supposed to do under this CBA (and as Bettman has instructed teams to assume it will in the next) it is going to be an absolute gong show trying to get players signed under reasonable deals.

With a $70m cap the worst off team is San Jose who have 9 roster spots to fill at $1.6m a pop. Every other team in the league has at least $2m per opening, the Canucks would have almost $2.5m per roster spot. Detroit would have $4.4m for each opening on their roster.

Maybe Rick Nash wouldn't be so bad after all..

It's crazy...

I think we are going to see the price for top4 defenseman jump another mill this summer and teams will get in line to pay it.

Brian Campbells 7.1 mill is actually starting to look like a good deal for Florida. And Keith Ballards 4.25 is starting to look like a "who cares" on our end.

[herb]

Lu would have to be willing to go to a team that wont be a contender for the foreseeable future.

Not only that, but he'd have to be willing to attempt to put up with the TO media. I honestly don't think Luongo would waive his NTC to go to TO. However, I would be flabbergasted if Burke wasn't interested in Luongo. With Luongo, the Leafs would definitely be a playoff team.

Kesler isn't going anywhere. The guy looks emaciated after a year of not training, is only 12 months removed from a 40+ goal season and is only 26. The lineup to get a hold of him would be 29 teams long.


The #1 priority for GMMG this off season has to be to resolve the goaltending dilemma. Either trade Schneider and enjoy the bounty that comes back this way, or move Luongo.

I think this hinges all on how Luongo feels. Is he willing to entertain a move, or is he set on remaining a lifetime Canuck? My opinion is that players don't negotiate no trade clauses because they never under any circumstance would entertain a move, they do so in order to control their own destiny in terms of where they may end up in a trade. My gut tells me Luongo would be perfectly happy to close out his career in a nice, quiet location far, far away from the Vancouver media.

[herb]

Brian Campbells 7.1 mill is actually starting to look like a good deal for Florida. And Keith Ballards 4.25 is starting to look like a "who cares" on our end.

And Hank, Dank and Kesler's deals look like "holy fucking shit" good deals.

[wafflecombine]

I have to agree on you regarding Lou controlling his destiny. If he decides to stay, the only way out would be an amnesty granted in the new CBA to do a 1 time buyout without it screwing ya.

But I still believe Lou will move. I just don't see how he can stay and be happy. The rationale has been discussed to death a million times here already.

[Potatoe1]

I have to agree on you regarding Lou controlling his destiny. If he decides to stay, the only way out would be an amnesty granted in the new CBA to do a 1 time buyout without it screwing ya.

I dont understand why you think we need "a way out" ?

Lu is a very effective player who had a good season,

A 70 mill salary cap basically makes his cap hit a moot point. At 70 mill we have almost 15 mill to spend in what looks like a garbage free agency pool.

If he wants to stay and play second fiddle to Schneider it really isn't a problem at all.

If he want's to be a starter he will either have to earn the job back or move on.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Kesler isn't going anywhere. The guy looks emaciated after a year of not training, is only 12 months removed from a 40+ goal season and is only 26. The lineup to get a hold of him would be 29 teams long.

If they could get a return like the Flyers got for either of Carter and Richards I would trade him.

The Canucks need to get some young blood especially up front. I personally think Kesler isn't going to be as productive of a player as he has been the past couple seasons before this one. His body is beat to shit he has had two surgeries on his hip now and apparently a shoulder operation coming up. I would definitely look around and see what teams would offer for him.

BTW Kesler turns 28 on Aug 31 and his NTC kicks in next season. I am not his biggest fan as some people know. That said I can't deny when he is on he can be a great player. I just think his balls out style is taking a severe toll on his body.

[ESQ]

The #1 priority for GMMG this off season has to be to resolve the goaltending dilemma. Either trade Schneider and enjoy the bounty that comes back this way, or move Luongo.

I highly doubt goaltending is the #1 priority for this team. Gillis just said in his presser, Luongo and Schneider are good friends, they support eachother, they push eachother, and each one gives the team an opportunity to win every game. In his words, if the worst case scenario is keeping both of them he's not worried.

Gillis sees the priority as getting younger and bigger, building around the core of 3 strong lines, strong D, and strong goaltending.

[wafflecombine]

I understand what you are saying potato. Lou is a strong goalie and was probably the team's MVP this year. When our offense went dry, his play -less a few stinkers - really made the difference for us competing for the President's Trophy or being in that 4-8 seed ourself.

My rationale for Lou moving is simple. After being #1, being a proud and emotional guy underneath a much improved public face, how do you come back after this year. The whole year was dominated by talk of a goalie controversy (even when he was bailing the Canucks out of game after game). Observations have been made that the team played better with Schneider in net. If that's true than regardless of what Hank is saying into the on-air mikes, it means the team has already chosen. Lastly, in clutch game 4 and game 5, management went with Cory. That says to me they've chosen too. As of right now, with his NTC, Lou is the last person who has to choose.

Never overstay your welcome. That said, we will see what teams are on his list of possible destinations.

There is a small chance we will keep both for next season... but then its simply a more viscious repeat of this year. Team plays better under Schneider. Every win Lou gets... well Schneids would have got that one too. Every loss will be "Schneids would have bailed us out in that one" and when the playoffs come again (hopefully we are in), is Lou going to take the embarassment of being on the bench yet again in clutch situations? Herb is right that Cory & Lou are friends but both want to be #1. Its a tough position to be in.

Stranger things have happenned but I consider Lou staying a low probability outcome - and for the record I'm a huge Lou fan who wants to see him succeed.

[Blob Mckenzie]

I highly doubt goaltending is the #1 priority for this team.

It had better be a pretty damn high priority because the Canucks don't have a lot of fucking trade chips other than one of the goalies to improve this stagnant group up front. Vancouver needs youth and skill on their top 3 lines . Other than moving a goalie ( and/or Kesler like i suggested) how in the hell do you revamp the teams offence ??

[Topper]

Should we build a statue of Clarkey for you, Doc?

Saaay how about one of those fountain-statues: Clarkie pissing on Lindros!

How about Clarke atop a giant C surrounding the current Neilson statue.

[ESQ]

Other than moving a goalie ( and/or Kesler like i suggested) how in the hell do you revamp the teams offence ??

Well, there's drafting, developing prospects, free agency, signing decrepit Germans and trading them for emerging scoring wingers...

During his presser Gillis talked about the "human management program", of which the fatigue study was only the first component. He plans to roll out other aspects of it this season. To me, this translates to changes to training, in-season and off-season, as well as managing injuries.

I reckon both changes in training and getting healthy this off-season will "re-vamp the teams offence". Booth, Kassian and Gragnani both have a lot of potential in this regard, while Raymond, Kesler, and Daniel just need the time this off-season to do what they do best. Ballard has shown a marked improvement from being in the Canucks system, I would hope to see that sucess duplicated.

But maybe I'm disagreeing because I don't see a "re-vamp" as being necessary, I see a "recovery" as the applicable buzzword.

[Potatoe1]

If they could get a return like the Flyers got for either of Carter and Richards I would trade him.

The Canucks need to get some young blood especially up front. I personally think Kesler isn't going to be as productive of a player as he has been the past couple seasons before this one. His body is beat to shit he has had two surgeries on his hip now and apparently a shoulder operation coming up. I would definitely look around and see what teams would offer for him.

BTW Kesler turns 28 on Aug 31 and his NTC kicks in next season. I am not his biggest fan as some people know. That said I can't deny when he is on he can be a great player. I just think his balls out style is taking a severe toll on his body.

A Carter / Richards type deal would leave a pretty massive hole in the middle no?

[Blob Mckenzie]

If they could get a return like the Flyers got for either of Carter and Richards I would trade him.

The Canucks need to get some young blood especially up front. I personally think Kesler isn't going to be as productive of a player as he has been the past couple seasons before this one. His body is beat to shit he has had two surgeries on his hip now and apparently a shoulder operation coming up. I would definitely look around and see what teams would offer for him.

BTW Kesler turns 28 on Aug 31 and his NTC kicks in next season. I am not his biggest fan as some people know. That said I can't deny when he is on he can be a great player. I just think his balls out style is taking a severe toll on his body.

A Carter / Richards type deal would leave a pretty massive hole in the middle no?

It depends who else the team could sign in the summer or trade for ( Luongo) .A young horse down the middle like Couturier or Schenn and a winger like Simmonds or Voracek would set this team up for years to come.

I'd like to see a third line centre here who doesn't think offence is a swear word. There is a place for the Pahlssons etc in the NHL but I'm not too sure I want him as my 3rd line centre.