Hossa Hit
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I like the call the by Shanahan, some of the reasoning I don't get because I don't know the weighting he applies to various aspects.
It appears a lot of emphasis was on Raffi's history.
It appears a lot of emphasis was on Raffi's history.
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By Shanahan's definitions and criteria for discipline, Shea Weber should have gotten a 10 game suspension for his work on Zetterberg. Roughing for the punch to the head, and I don't even know what you would call the grab and slam that followed. But that is two rule violations that had intent to injure, factor in that Weber has received prior discipline but is not a guy who generally plays outside the rules or even on the edge, and then consider Torres and his 25 games.....how Weber didn't get at least the remainder of the first round is beyond me.
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I see some consistency for non-star players, although that includes an emphasis on injury.
Preferential treatment of star players has been around a long time, & isn't good for the game's integrity.
Preferential treatment of star players has been around a long time, & isn't good for the game's integrity.
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Seems to me we thought the new "benchmark" was the Rome suspension in the SCF. Then it was the Wishniewski suspension in the preseason. Now its Raffi's 25 games. Is anyone "clear" on what the "Posse's" plan is? If they are please explain it to me because I don't have a clue!!
I don't have an issue with Raffi's suspension per se. His history is undeniable. If this was a late hit what about Brown's hit on Hank? Raffi left his feet ala Nik Kronwall.
How does the "Posse" ignore intent on one hand and punish the offender because there was an injury? It was only by luck that Zetterberg and Henrik were not injured. Brown's hit was not penalized not was it reviewed. Duncan Keith had no other thought in mind but to run his elbow through Daniel's head when the puck was no where close by.
The Posse clearly has no baseline and is flying by the ass of their pants. They are succeeding only in confusing players and fans
I don't have an issue with Raffi's suspension per se. His history is undeniable. If this was a late hit what about Brown's hit on Hank? Raffi left his feet ala Nik Kronwall.
How does the "Posse" ignore intent on one hand and punish the offender because there was an injury? It was only by luck that Zetterberg and Henrik were not injured. Brown's hit was not penalized not was it reviewed. Duncan Keith had no other thought in mind but to run his elbow through Daniel's head when the puck was no where close by.
The Posse clearly has no baseline and is flying by the ass of their pants. They are succeeding only in confusing players and fans
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Yeah pretty inconsistent. In terms of lateness of the hit, it wasn't that bad. Kronwall has made that hit countless of times.
Clearly, the league has identified Raffi as a predator and is giving him the maximum in hopes of rehabilitating him ala Matt Cooke.
Somehow the very nasty blindside, shoulder to head hit on an unsuspecting player without the puck by Malkin will receive no attention. This was exactly the the type of hit that spurred the league to try to do something in the first place.
Clearly, the league has identified Raffi as a predator and is giving him the maximum in hopes of rehabilitating him ala Matt Cooke.
Somehow the very nasty blindside, shoulder to head hit on an unsuspecting player without the puck by Malkin will receive no attention. This was exactly the the type of hit that spurred the league to try to do something in the first place.
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if everything was being reviewed as it should be, Henrik should have gotten a game for retribution on Brown.
meh.. the league is messed up.
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Madcombinepilot wrote:if everything was being reviewed as it should be, Henrik should have gotten a game for retribution on Brown.
meh.. the league is messed up.
but then Brown wouldn't have been on the ice due to the suspension he deserved?
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Don't forget the Boychuk snapping Raymond's spine last year.Mëds wrote:By Shanahan's definitions and criteria for discipline, Shea Weber should have gotten a 10 game suspension for his work on Zetterberg. Roughing for the punch to the head, and I don't even know what you would call the grab and slam that followed. But that is two rule violations that had intent to injure, factor in that Weber has received prior discipline but is not a guy who generally plays outside the rules or even on the edge, and then consider Torres and his 25 games.....how Weber didn't get at least the remainder of the first round is beyond me.
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Three violations:
1.) Interferance - Raymond didn't have the puck
2.) Tripping (for the slew foot)
3.) I guess you'd call it boarding - slamming a helpless player's spine into the boards so hard that he's wheeled out on a stretcher.
Gotta be 8 or 10 games at least, even for a first-time offender
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Zamboni Driver wrote: Gotta be 8 or 10 games at least, even for a first-time offender
...or a free pass and a Cup ring.
Flip a coin I guess.
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I was surprised by 25 games. I was thinking more in the 5-10 range based on all the other precedents - even for people who have "a history". This said, the Hawks had an effective PR campaign behind the scenes to make this happen. Loved the crocodile tears from Toews and Kane with Keith sitting just off Camera. But still not as entertaining as Torterella claiming the the Torres hit was the new plan for success in the playoffs after Boyle got caught with his head down.Hockey Widow wrote:I have no problem with the 25 game suspension which will in all likelihood carry over to next year, as well he cannot play in any preseason games. He is most definitely a repeat offender and he most definitely targets the head when he hits.
Shanny does a good job of breaking it down.
My problem is the other decisions and especially Weber and Keith.
Lets hope this sets a new bar.
meh - if nothing else the 25 games will get everyone else attention and say smarten the hell up or I'll "Torres you"
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I've got a lot of complaints about the league and about supplementary discipline but I have a hard time seeing 25 games for Raffi Torres as a cause for concern (unless you're Raffi Torres).wafflecombine wrote:I was surprised by 25 games. I was thinking more in the 5-10 range based on all the other precedents - even for people who have "a history". This said, the Hawks had an effective PR campaign behind the scenes to make this happen. Loved the crocodile tears from Toews and Kane with Keith sitting just off Camera. But still not as entertaining as Torterella claiming the the Torres hit was the new plan for success in the playoffs after Boyle got caught with his head down.
meh - if nothing else the 25 games will get everyone else attention and say smarten the hell up or I'll "Torres you"
The bottom line is that the league is saying to players like Torres and Matt Cooke that they need to smarten up or they will be unemployed/unemployable before long. If that had happened to guys like Bryan Marchment in the past we might have a few more talented hockey players finishing their careers on their own terms.
It'd be great if that standard applied to serial offenders with multimillion dollar salaries - and it's pretty outrageous that it doesn't - but that doesn't make the Torres suspension worse, it just throws the league's lack of appetite for a fair standard into sharper relief.
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Well look at you all verbose and all.dbr wrote: ...it just throw's the league's lack of appetite for a fair standard into sharper relief.
I guess the cause for concern, although I see and get your point, is that it continues to be a completely uneven playing field in terms of discipline.
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If not, heads up...wot. (we'll show them how serious we are, we'll nail Raffe for 25...L O F L)
They can carry on doing whatever the fuck they want in that office regardless, I'm far past caring anymore (although some may argue commenting on a goddamn hockey talk message board insinuates regard), for what that is worth (nothing of course).....
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donlever wrote:in an effort to not be unneedingly wordy
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insinuates regard
Ahh donnie.
(I totally agree with your point though. The way I see it is that there's no point dumping all over the NHL for finally getting it right in throwing the book at Raffi, when what really irks us is the fact that they got it wrong on Keith, Weber, Rome, etc; they are all separate incidents and the league is getting some right and most very wrong. Of course, such an uneven application of the rules probably justifies the unfair reactions I'm pointing out...)
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..you of course realize I do that shit on purpose to amuse y'all.
Or myself maybe.
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We count ourselves lucky that your self-gratification on the boards is limited to vocabulary calisthenics and not pissing and moaning like certain other posters..