The Sedin & Keith Affair

[dhabums]

Blob's right, if the concussion was severe, they wouldn't have let Daniel fly home.

Sit out Daniel Sedin for the rest of the season. The Canucks are good enough to win the first round of the playoffs without him, I just hope he's ready for round 2.

If they hadn't tested him, how do they know what the real severity was? Not that I think it's severe, but they let him go out and play a shift right after.

[dhabums]

I'm actually surprised they gave him the maximum without a face-to-face hearing. I was expecting 3 games, even though he deserved 10.

He did technically have a face to face, without the face.

In many ways, he got the minimum. The league could have given 5 before the changed to an in person. It's funny really, he waived his right to be there and it didn't matter one bit. It really is confusing that Rome got 4 (which in Shanny terms is 48) and then we see this.

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[Benjo]

I find it funny that no one intimidated Shanahan when he was on the ice but now that he's gone corporate he's letting a bunch of guys in suits dictate how he does his job. You have to hand it to Grapes, he's stuck to his guns all these years not giving a fuck if he had a job the next day or not all while fully admitting as much.

[Mondi]

Am I the only one who thinks 5 games is reasonable?

The kid (hick) is a turd. And I don't think 7 or 8 would have been too much, but what did any of you really expect? This is the NHL. This a Hawk (glamour team) on a Canucks (hated team). This is a first time offender. This is a good Canadian kid, an Olympian and Stanley Cup winner on a soft Swede.

He got 5, at any other time of the season this a significant suspension. I don't think the time of the season should affect the judgment. That is just wishful thinking. The punishment should be uniform regardless of when the offence takes place. I'll even admit there can be some adjustment in playoffs, but this is still the regular season albeit the end.

I'm glad he got 5 and I don't really care if the Hawks make or miss the playoffs. And further, I don't care if we play them in the first, second or third round.

Then again, ain't no one gonna beat the Pens.

[Canuck-One]

Am I the only one who thinks 5 games is reasonable?

It would appear that just you and anyone who isn't a Canucks fan think it's reasonable. I fail to see the difference between what Keith did and what Bertuzzi did. They were both blindside hits to the head. Well perhaps Keith's is a little worse as he used a hard plastic elbow pad and Bert used a glove.

[Meds]

Am I the only one who thinks 5 games is reasonable?

It would appear that just you and anyone who isn't a Canucks fan think it's reasonable. I fail to see the difference between what Keith did and what Bertuzzi did. They were both blindside hits to the head. Well perhaps Keith's is a little worse as he used a hard plastic elbow pad and Bert used a glove.

I'm going to assume that you are being sarcastic when you call Keith's a little worse.

I'd say the difference is that Keith was smart enough to try and hide it in a "hockey play" whereas Bert just skated up behind trying to pick a fight and then outright clobbered the guy with a blindside haymaker after he declined.

The comments that the Blackhawk's players (particularly Keith) have made in regards to the Canucks should be enough evidence of malicious intent.

5 is not enough, but it is fair. No other player has gotten more than 5 for something like that when they have no prior history and have a record as clean as Keith's.

Keith's shame will forever be on record as the guy who threw a dirty hit on one of the cleanest, classiest, players the league has ever seen, and then acted like a pussy with the rest of his teammates.

[Mondi]

I guess I could have said expected and sufficient. Reasonable is a relative term.

I'm just not surprised nor do I really care. I think the Canucks, as an organization, are risk-takers and Sedin will be back for game 1 of the playoffs if not sooner. I think Sedin will be fine, and the bigger problem remains the Blues, Predators, Bruins and Penguins.

Let's face it, everyone hates the Canucks. They take runs at us. They call us pussies, divers and cheap shot artists. They call us out in the media (as media, as players, as retired player). They don't give us many calls (or any benefit of the doubt). What did everyone expect? A 50-game suspension?

Let Keith sit down for five and think about it. And let us PRAY no one runs him in the next Canucks-Hawks game because that will result in a 50-gamer.

Toews, Carcillo, Recchi, Whitney, Bolland, Clowe, Fidler, Thornton, Eager, Burish, Marchand, MacLean, Spector, Dowbiggin, Cox, Rosner, Shaughnessy, Milbury, Stock...and now Keith...the beat goes on.

[lifer]

I thought the NHL was trying to take head shots out of the game?

5 games is no deterant.

Every time I watch the night's game highlights, I'm waiting for the next blatant attempt to injure. I am pretty sure there will be a lot more dirty plays in the next few months, and a lot more head shots.

We just lost one of our star players for possibly the remainder of the year and there was a 2 min. minor called on the play. A premeditated elbow to the face with the puck nowhere near the player. This is total BS

One more reason to believe the NHL is one big fixed ,American money making machine.

And this is it's leader.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iHJuBECBkU

[Reefer2]

Why is anyone suprised? Forget it is Canucks, the NHL has not showen once that they actually want to get head shots out of the game.

I can do a better job, my way would be 5/20/season, with the first suspension going up down depending on the severity of the hit. For the 5/20 half of the first suspension would be added for playoff games, this is where is hurts the most.

Look at the reffing now, it is going back to hook/hold/clutch, the games are boring, I can't even watch a Columbus game or Minny or half the teams. The game is on in the back ground but I am doing something else because they play such a boring game and the penalties will not be called because they want the lesser of the team to have a chance.

Way too much interferance from the league on how the game is played.

[dbr]

Three interesting tidbits from this Harrison Mooney article:

• Jonathan Toews: "Guys aren't going to say they're trying to hurt someone but when you're trying to hit someone really hard, especially against a team you have a history with like Vancouver, you're not going to let up. Unfortunately Duncs may have gone a little overboard there. It's a tough suspension, we all feel for him, but it is what it is and it happens."
• [Duncan] Keith didn't want to elaborate on the hearing process and specifically declined to comment on Sedin's high hit along the boards earlier in the game.
  "I'm not going to sit here and question things or wonder how they came to the decision," Keith said. "I respect what they decided was fair and I'll serve my time."
• according to RDS reporter Renaud Lavoie, the league looked at Sedin's hit on Keith and concluded that it was clean.

The third isn't a surprise. On the quotes from Toews and Keith given their status as Blackhawks I am obliged to hate them no matter what but at least they decided to come out and say the right things (and in Toews case, decline an opportunity to say his teammate did not deserve the suspension he got).

[Fred]

An article from the Toronto Sun, Chris Stevenson ,QMI Agency

MONTREAL - During conversations with a couple of NHL general managers in the aftermath of the Duncan Keith-Daniel Sedin incidents, it was interesting to hear that the GMs last week discussed allowing players to ward off oncoming hits by getting their arms up.

It used to be an accepted practice. A guy takes a run at somebody and that guy "used to have to eat a stick," one GM said. "And that made a lot of guys think twice about hitting somebody in the head."

The topic was raised at the GMs meetings, but didn't go anywhere.

"Other guys thought that would be a dirty play," one GM said.

It wouldn't have helped Keith as the Chicago Blackhawks defenceman never saw the hit from Sedin coming in a game Wednesday night. Sedin got his shoulder right into the side of Keith's head in the first of a couple of nasty hits exchanged by the two -- the latter an elbow that gave the Vancouver Canucks winger a suspected concussion.

The first one was a legal hit with the way the rules are being called, but it didn't pass the smell test.

It looked like Sedin targeted Keith's head with the hit.

We all know what happened after that.

Well that's it .....it's official we should all be feeling for Duncan Keith

[Island Nucklehead]

Blob's right, if the concussion was severe, they wouldn't have let Daniel fly home.

Sit out Daniel Sedin for the rest of the season. The Canucks are good enough to win the first round of the playoffs without him, I just hope he's ready for round 2.

Crosby flew to LA and various other cities to visit different specialists and flew home to Halifax to......so it's not impossible

It's how soon after the injury that determines when you can fly. If his concussion was "serious" he would be vomiting and seriously nauseous. With any serious head injury flying should be avoided. I think that's what Blob's saying.

That being said, there's no telling how long any symptoms will last. He might feel "kinda shitty" for the next 3 months. The NHL needs to take a page out of the NFL's book and act tough. If they're serious about star players getting hurt they will start making 10-20 game suspensions the norm. Dirty, head-hunting checks should be an automatic 15 game suspension. Then we just go up from there... you might consider a face-wash to be payback enough when you're looking at losing 1/4 of your annual pay.

The inconsistency is the disgusting part, if that's a Flyer taking Crosby's head off it's a 20 game suspension for sure.

[porp]

[Duncan] Keith "I respect what they decided was fair and I'll serve my time."

Translation: I understand that I got off easy.

[Zamboni Driver]

Why is anyone suprised? Forget it is Canucks, the NHL has not showen once that they actually want to get head shots out of the game.

I can do a better job, my way would be 5/20/season, with the first suspension going up down depending on the severity of the hit. For the 5/20 half of the first suspension would be added for playoff games, this is where is hurts the most.

Way too much interferance from the league on how the game is played.

Maybe the suspension should BEGIN when the playoffs start, that would make you think twice about doing it.

As it is Keith get a rest before the playoffs, the Hawks have pretty much guaranteed a playoff berth so not a big deal.
The national pundits have been yapping about "losing Keith while the Hawks are fighting for home ice in round one", but they probably would be happier to finish in 6th anyways, rather than in that 4-5 matchup

[mathonwy]

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/4 ... pline.html

Good article comparing the NHL to the NFL.