Are the Sedins on the Decline?

[RoyalDude]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance. All I'm saying is, that when we do see true evidence of a decline in the Sedins play, which will be sooner than you think, the Canucks will start to slip down in the standings, obviously, cause lets be honest, the Sedins are carrying the torch on this team right now and their ain't nothing of that kind of star quality and two players to boot, coming up in the system to replace them.

When the Sedins go, the Canucks go. Dark Days of Hockey will be back in Vancouver once again.

[Blob Mckenzie]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance. All I'm saying is, that when we do see true evidence of a decline in the Sedins play, which will be sooner than you think, the Canucks will start to slip down in the standings, obviously, cause lets be honest, the Sedins are carrying the torch on this team right now and their ain't nothing coming up in the system to replace them.

When the Sedins go, the Canucks go. Dark Days of Hockey will be back in Vancouver once again.

No kidding Pacific Blue. And i also heard that the canucks won't spend the 12 million + when the Sedins pack it in. They'll just pocket the money and be a cap floor team while the Aquillinis focus more on their cranberry farms .

[Aaronp18]

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No kidding Pacific Blue. And i also heard that the canucks won't spend the 12 million + when the Sedins pack it in. They'll just pocket the money and be a cap floor team while the Aquillinis focus more on their cranberry farms .

The will also refrain from drafting and developing our young players.

I mean what's the point, the Sedin's were elite players out of the gate and we haven't seen that since they were drafted!

[dangler]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance.

While I will agree with you on this part of your post,I really don't see impending dark days for the Canucks once the Sedin decline starts to happen.In fact i see a seamless transition with Kesler going to first line,Sedins either retire,go to Sweden ,or most likely do 2nd line duty.The Gillis has built this organisation with lots of depth as per the "Detroit model" and contending/playoffs should be the expected norm for quite some time to come IMHO.

[RoyalDude]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance.

While I will agree with you on this part of your post,I really don't see impending dark days for the Canucks once the Sedin decline starts to happen.In fact i see a seamless transition with Kesler going to first line,Sedins either retire,go to Sweden ,or most likely do 2nd line duty.The Gillis has built this organisation with lots of depth as per the "Detroit model" and contending/playoffs should be the expected norm for quite some time to come IMHO.

I think we have two good seasons of peak level talent after this with the Sedins. We probably won't see the decline of the Sedins until they are in the age of 34-35, like most star players. I don't see the Sedins heading back home til around 36-37 but I could be wrong. They may have had enough of the NHL grind at 35 but then again they may pull a Lidstrom and stay on forever. Who the fuck knows really, I know my shit but one thing I can't do is see into the future. This maybe something that Potatoe will have to surmise. I might not be the man for the job, cause I tend to love doomsdaying. I love that shit.

[mathonwy]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance. All I'm saying is, that when we do see true evidence of a decline in the Sedins play, which will be sooner than you think, the Canucks will start to slip down in the standings, obviously, cause lets be honest, the Sedins are carrying the torch on this team right now and their ain't nothing of that kind of star quality and two players to boot, coming up in the system to replace them.

When the Sedins go, the Canucks go. Dark Days of Hockey will be back in Vancouver once again.

The factor that'll determine whether the Sedins stay elite players throughout their 30s will be their nutrition and off-season training.

Both of them look gaunt and easily checked along the boards right now and that's probably a combination of motivation, physical strength and cardio fitness. There's no doubt that they are extremely fit athletes but with all the clutching and grabbing going on, if you don't have the strength then you no matter how much skill you have, you can be nullified by being pinned to the boards.

Compare against Evgeny Malkin. Malkin is listed on TSN as being 6'3, 195 but when you see him play, the guy plays HUGE. Today's game against the Flyers, Malkin easily spun away from Giroux, powered his way across the net and scored far side. All three Pittsburgh centers are strong very skilled guys that are elite puck handlers.

Henrik is listed at 6'2, 188lb and Daniel is listed at 6'1, 187lb and are not even in the same category as Malkin when comes to strength.

It really comes down to strength for the Sedins. On the offensive end, the Sedins are being angled into the corners and losing the puck battle down there against stronger defensemen and on the defensive end, the stronger opposition wingers are winning the down low puck battles.

Fortunately for us, even if the Sedins production DO decline, we have a 2nd line that is incredibly effective and plays a speed and strength game. Plus, we have a blue chip in Luo/Ginger that can be parlayed into first line winger in the summer.

As long as GMMG is commander and chief, I don't see any dark days coming.

[Farhan Lalji]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance.

I agree with this.

While I believe the twins will be very good players for a number of years (I.e. PPG or 0.9PPG), I think their potential to dominate (in the manner they did last season and the year before) will be coming to a close within the next 1-2 seasons.

I was actually thinking about this the other day and was wondering if it would be possible to trade for a guy like John Tavares.

Schneider, Schroeder, Tanev for Tavares. Islanders get blue chippers and more overall depth, while the Canucks get a guy that will very likely morph into a dominant top line center around the time that the Sedin's begin transitioning into their 05/06 level of play.

Circa 2013/2014

Jensen-Tavares-Kassian
Sedin- Sedin- burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Booth

Our depth at center would be unreal.

[Meds]

The bottom line for me is, the Sedins turn 32 on September 26 before the start of next season, they ain't getting any younger. It always seems to me that you start to notice a decline in a players game around that 32-33 mark in age. Which tells me that we have roughly 1 to 2 seasons at the most with Sedin dominance.

I agree with this.

While I believe the twins will be very good players for a number of years (I.e. PPG or 0.9PPG), I think their potential to dominate (in the manner they did last season and the year before) will be coming to a close within the next 1-2 seasons.

I was actually thinking about this the other day and was wondering if it would be possible to trade for a guy like John Tavares.

Schneider, Schroeder, Tanev for Tavares. Islanders get blue chippers and more overall depth, while the Canucks get a guy that will very likely morph into a dominant top line center around the time that the Sedin's begin transitioning into their 05/06 level of play.

Circa 2013/2014

Jensen-Tavares-Kassian
Sedin- Sedin- burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Booth

Our depth at center would be unreal.

Good crack man. Who's your dealer?

[Island Nucklehead]

Schneider, Schroeder, Tanev for Tavares. Islanders get blue chippers and more overall depth, while the Canucks get a guy that will very likely morph into a dominant top line center around the time that the Sedin's begin transitioning into their 05/06 level of play.

Circa 2013/2014

Jensen-Tavares-Kassian
Sedin- Sedin- burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Booth

Our depth at center would be unreal.

I like where your heads at, Farhan... but I don't think that's how Gillis will operate.

We're actually only the 12th oldest team in the league at and average of 27.9 years old. Compared to Detroit, who's the oldest at 29.4, we're laughing.

There's no rush to re-stocking the cupboard at this point. The Sedins have a good 3-4 years of elite play left. Kesler and Booth are only 26. Bieksa and Salo are our only D 30 or older. Cory Schneider (if he stays) could be a number 1 goalie for the next 10 years.

However, if Gillis does trade the Sedins (again, I seriously doubt he'd consider it), it would not be for a bonafide star. Trading the Sedins pretty much means rebuild/retool. And I would assume coming back would be draft picks and prospects. You'd get a very good return for the both of them, even at 35/36 years old. Again, I don't think it's likely MG chooses this option.

Think Iginla in Calgary, that's what the Sedins will be in Vancouver. You don't trade these franchise players unless they WANT to go.

[Hockey Widow]

No way no how do Dank and Hank waiver the NTC to go anywhere. Have we learned nothing about Swedes and their loyalty?

The problem with the twins is well, they are twins. So their departure will happen at the same time so you need two pieces to be able to step in and replace their production. Harder than trying to fit one in. I think we have some good pieces coming along but how do you get them the ice time and fit them in, in a cap world and all the time wanting an elite checking line on the 3rd?

But not to worry, we have a few more years to deal with that issue and as long as MG is committed to the now and the future I am confident he will figure it out.

[Farhan Lalji]

I like where your heads at, Farhan... but I don't think that's how Gillis will operate.

Thanks Isle Knuck.

Just to be clear though, I do NOT want to trade the twins at all. What I was saying was that the Canucks should consider trading for a center that will most likely be a dominant 1st line center in 18-24 months (Tavares) so that the Sedin twins can anchor and dominate on the 2nd line for us in 18-24 months. I think the twins will still be very very very good players......but won't be the superstar players they were last year and the year before that.

A package of Schneider, Schroeder, and Tanev may not be enough for a guy like Tavares (I have no clue if a deal like that is even close to being fair), but that's what I'd try and offer.

[RoyalDude]

I think we have some good pieces coming along but how do you get them the ice time and fit them in, in a cap world and all the time wanting an elite checking line on the 3rd?

But not to worry, we have a few more years to deal with that issue and as long as MG is committed to the now and the future I am confident he will figure it out.

Um, what pieces you talking about? Schroeder? Jensen? Are they the answer to the eventual sail off into the horizon of the Sedins? If so, weeze in big trouble in a couple years.

I don't see any commitment to the future when it comes to Gillis, I mean he just sent off two 4th round picks to the Blow Jobs for that Old Man Shut Down Specialist. History has taught us that the Canucks bread and butter at drafting have been their 2nd to mid round picks beyond the first round, ie Edler, Bieksa, Scotty Walker, Hansen, Peca, Schaefer (got us Salo), Cooke, Odjick, Aucoin, Raymond, etc., etc., etc.,. Take for example of what the 2006 Draft Year for the Bruins did for them they picked up Lucic in the 2nd round and Marchand in the 3rd. I mean hell, if we hadn't of traded our 2nd round pick the year Lucic was drafted maybe we could have drafted Milan. I guess what I am saying is, like Nonis and Burke before him, Gillis is a crack addict for trading 2nd to mid round picks. With that philosophy in mind, I do not see how, like you say, that Gillis is committed to the future. I guess 34 year old Pahlssons of the world are just fabulous additions to a hockey team.

[mathonwy]

I think we have some good pieces coming along but how do you get them the ice time and fit them in, in a cap world and all the time wanting an elite checking line on the 3rd?

But not to worry, we have a few more years to deal with that issue and as long as MG is committed to the now and the future I am confident he will figure it out.

Um, what pieces you talking about? Schroeder? Jensen? Are they the answer to the eventual sail off into the horizon of the Sedins? If so, weeze in big trouble in a couple years.

I don't see any commitment to the future when it comes to Gillis, I mean he just sent off two 4th round picks to the Blow Jobs for that Old Man Shut Down Specialist. History has taught us that the Canucks bread and butter at drafting have been their 2nd to mid round picks beyond the first round, ie Edler, Bieksa, Scotty Walker, Hansen, Peca, Schaefer (got us Salo), Cooke, Odjick, Aucoin, Raymond, etc., etc., etc.,. Take for example of what the 2006 Draft Year for the Bruins did for them they picked up Lucic in the 2nd round and Marchand in the 3rd. I mean hell, if we hadn't of traded our 2nd round pick the year Lucic was drafted maybe we could have drafted Milan. I guess what I am saying is, like Nonis and Burke before him, Gillis is a crack addict for trading 2nd to mid round picks. With that philosophy in mind, I do not see how, like you say, that Gillis is committed to the future. I guess 34 year old Pahlssons of the world are just fabulous additions to a hockey team.

Ok..umm...

Are you seriously whining about sending off two 4th round draft picks and Taylor Ellington for a NHL ready player that plays awesome SHUTDOWN hockey?

Come on man. When it comes to the 4th line, you are gambling and the odds aren't in your favour.

[Southern_Canuck]

Um, what pieces you talking about? Schroeder? Jensen? Are they the answer to the eventual sail off into the horizon of the Sedins? If so, weeze in big trouble in a couple years.

Actually, as far as I can see, the Canucks are not in awful shape for scoring forwards...

Daniel (31)
Henrik (31)
Kesler (27)
Booth (27)
Burrows (30)
Higgins (28)
Raymond (26)
Hansen (26)
Kassian (21)
Lapierre (26)
Weise (23)

Typically players begin to decline at age 30, however it can be a slow decline for top players. Essentially the Canucks must replace the Sedins offence within the next 3-4 years - I'm guessing they will form a top line around Kesler or Schroeder when the time comes.

Jensen (19)
Schroeder (21)
Rodin (21)
Labate (18)

S_C

[Fred]

Likelyhood of success for draft picks

1st round it's 63%. So of the 30 first round picks approx 19 make it to the show

2nd round and below 12% of the 240 drafted... rounds 2 through 9 ...29 make it

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/prospe ... uccess.htm