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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby ESQ » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:21 pm

As I recall New Jersey was way up there, and had to work some magic to get under without buying out. Didn't they try burying Mogilny in the minors and hoped he wouldn't report, only to have him actually play down there at his full salary? :lol:

Still, its utterly astounding that Detroit got under the cap with only buying out Hatcher ($6.5 million), Whitney ($3.5 million), and McCarty ($2.25 million). Then again, those numbers themselves are utterly astounding.
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Per » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:13 am

At long last the season has started. Björklöven have already played two games, beating Boden 4-0 on the road and Pitå 7-2 at home.

But they should win these games. They've been demoted twice and are currently playing in Div 1A, the level below Allsvenskan, which in turn is the level just below the Swedish Elite League. :cry:

Unfortunately winning the league is not even enough.

There are six leagues at this level, that play till Xmas. Then the four best teams from each league go on to the next stage, where they form three eight team leagues (known as Allettan Norra, Allettan Mellan and Allettan Södra) that face each other home and away. Meanwhile the remaining teams in the original six leagues continue on.

Then at the end of the regular season, the winners of the "remainder" leagues are pitted against the teams ending third or fourth in the three Allettan leagues, a total of six matchups that are decided in best out of three, where the Allettan teams have home advantage in game three.

To the six teams that win these matchups, you add two of the three teams ending in second place in the Allettan leagues to form four new best out of three matchups. Same as before, higher place in the regular season means home advantage in the third game.

The four winners of these matchups then face the three Allettan league winners plus the best second place team in yet another best out of three matchup. The four teams that then remain standing go on to a relegation league where they face the two worst teams from Allsvenskan (aka SHA) where all teams face eachother twice (home + away).

The winner and runner up of the relegation league than earns slots in Allsvenskan for next season.

It's gruelling and nerve wrecking. And best out of three means you may afford to lose one game, but never two. Puts a lot of pressure on the teams. A few silly mistakes and you are doomed to stay in this ninth ring of hell for yet another year... :shock:


Highlights from the thrashing of Piteå: http://vk.se/Article.jsp?article=478571

Looking good so far, but the long journey out of darkness has only just begun.
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby dhabums » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:26 pm

Per wrote:There are six leagues at this level, that play till Xmas. Then the four best teams from each league go on to the next stage, where they form three eight team leagues (known as Allettan Norra, Allettan Mellan and Allettan Södra) that face each other home and away. Meanwhile the remaining teams in the original six leagues continue on.

Then at the end of the regular season, the winners of the "remainder" leagues are pitted against the teams ending third or fourth in the three Allettan leagues, a total of six matchups that are decided in best out of three, where the Allettan teams have home advantage in game three.

To the six teams that win these matchups, you add two of the three teams ending in second place in the Allettan leagues to form four new best out of three matchups. Same as before, higher place in the regular season means home advantage in the third game.

The four winners of these matchups then face the three Allettan league winners plus the best second place team in yet another best out of three matchup. The four teams that then remain standing go on to a relegation league where they face the two worst teams from Allsvenskan (aka SHA) where all teams face eachother twice (home + away).

The winner and runner up of the relegation league than earns slots in Allsvenskan for next season.

It's gruelling and nerve wrecking. And best out of three means you may afford to lose one game, but never two. Puts a lot of pressure on the teams. A few silly mistakes and you are doomed to stay in this ninth ring of hell for yet another year... :shock:


Now I see where IKEA gets there assembly instructions from.
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby rats19 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:30 pm

dhabums wrote:
Per wrote:There are six leagues at this level, that play till Xmas. Then the four best teams from each league go on to the next stage, where they form three eight team leagues (known as Allettan Norra, Allettan Mellan and Allettan Södra) that face each other home and away. Meanwhile the remaining teams in the original six leagues continue on.

Then at the end of the regular season, the winners of the "remainder" leagues are pitted against the teams ending third or fourth in the three Allettan leagues, a total of six matchups that are decided in best out of three, where the Allettan teams have home advantage in game three.

To the six teams that win these matchups, you add two of the three teams ending in second place in the Allettan leagues to form four new best out of three matchups. Same as before, higher place in the regular season means home advantage in the third game.

The four winners of these matchups then face the three Allettan league winners plus the best second place team in yet another best out of three matchup. The four teams that then remain standing go on to a relegation league where they face the two worst teams from Allsvenskan (aka SHA) where all teams face eachother twice (home + away).

The winner and runner up of the relegation league than earns slots in Allsvenskan for next season.

It's gruelling and nerve wrecking. And best out of three means you may afford to lose one game, but never two. Puts a lot of pressure on the teams. A few silly mistakes and you are doomed to stay in this ninth ring of hell for yet another year... :shock:


Now I see where IKEA gets there assembly instructions from.



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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Per » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:56 pm

It would seem that Bibic isn't really much for hugging...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... hl-wp16322
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby dhabums » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:48 pm

Per wrote:It would seem that Babic isn't really much for hugging...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... hl-wp16322


What a punch!!!!!
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Jovorock » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:01 am

Per wrote:It would seem that Bibic isn't really much for hugging...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... hl-wp16322

He deserved that punch and more for hot dogging.
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Per » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:59 am

Jovorock wrote:
Per wrote:It would seem that Bibic isn't really much for hugging...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... hl-wp16322

He deserved that punch and more for hot dogging.

Yeah, well, the guy who made the hug and got punched has an Avery-like reputation, so I'm pretty sure the hug was meant as a taunt. And the smile on his face after getting punched seems to confirm this.

Sort of "thanks for helping me block the view of your goalie" :lol:
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Per » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:38 am

The SEL regular season has ended and the playoffs will begin shortly.

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In recent years they have stopped having an automatic seed where the team finishing first plays the team finishing eighth. Instead they have a televised event where the top seeds choose their opponents... :)

I.e. the team finishing first can pick any of the teams finishing 5th though 8th, then the second seed picks, the third seed, and the team finishing fourth gets the opponent that is left. I love this concept. First of all, it makes finishing first even more important. Seconsly, it adds a strategic and psychological dimension. I mean, if team #1 picks team #5 - what a snub! So far it hasn't happened, but it's far from always they pick in the strict mathematical order.

Anyway, this year it went like this:
Luleå (1) picked AIK (7)
Skellefteå (2) picked Modo (8)
HV71 (3) picked Färjestad (6)
and thus Brynäs (4) will play Frölunda (5)

I think Luleå mainly picked AIK for logistical reasons; it's a one hour flight down to Stockholm. Playing Modo in Örnsköldsvik would mean a four hour bus ride each way... HV in Jönköping and Färjestad in Karlstad would mean switching flights in Stockholm, so playing AIK will be only half the travel hassle that any other matchup would be. Plus, they're the seventh seed, so beating them shouldn't be too hard.

The quarter finals start on March 10th.

Djurgården and Timrå (the two teams ending 11th and 12th) will play relegation games against four teams from Allsvenskan (the second tier league) to defend their SEL status.


As you see from the final standings, in Sweden we still show the tied games separately (W T L). A win (in regulation) is awarded three points, a tie one point. Then, to the far right, they show you the OT and penalty shootout results. An overtime win (OTW) or a shootout win (GWSW) gives you an additional point, so winning after regulation gives you a total of two points. I like this setup, because that means the winning stats in years with OT and shootouts can be compared to winning stats in season when a tie was a tie was a tie. In the NHL the number of wins in seasons with overtime and shootouts.

I personally favour a system with five minutes over time and no shootout. If you can't win in regulation and you can't win in overtime, you should not be registered for a win, imho. And I also like a syatem that differentiates between a regulation win and an OT win, so I'm happy with the three point system. Still hate the shootouts though. :mad:


Regular season scoring leaders contain quite a few familiar names for Canuck fans:

Rk No Name....................... Team Pos GP G A TP PIM +/-
_1 87 Rosén, Robert............... AIK... CE 55 21 39 60 20 51:29
_2 33 Silfverberg, Jakob.......... BIF... LW 49 24 30 54 10 33:35
_3 44 Danielsson, Nicklas......... MODO RW 53 21 31 52 77 48:22
_4 10 Skröder, Per-Åge............ MODO LW 53 22 29 51 52 49:28
_5 11 Holloway, George........... SAIK.. RW 55 21 28 49 32 34:23
_6 10 Gynge, Richard.............. AIK... LW 55 28 16 44 14 42:30
_7 19 Schremp, Rob............... MODO CE 55 19 22 41 46 35:34
_8 41 Olimb, Mathis............... FRÖ.. CE 55 10 31 41 34 47:24
_9 16 Olausson, Niklas............ LHF.. CE 53 8 33 41 18 30:20
10 37 Pyörälä, Mika............... FRÖ.. LW 53 22 18 40 12 43:19
11 10 Pettersson, Fredrik........ FRÖ.. RW 54 16 24 40 58 45:19
12 _9 Krog, Jason............... HV71 CE 50 12 28 40 22 33:28
13 76 Davidsson, Johan.......... HV71. CE 52 10 30 40 18 35:20
14 19 Järnkrok, Calle............. BIF... CE 50 16 23 39 22 29:32
15 37 Goren, Lee............... SAIK.. RW 51 11 28 39 40 38:32
16 85 Johansson, Mikael......... FBK.. CE 53 8 31 39 22 29:31
17 40 Arlbrandt, Pär.............. LHC.. LW 55 14 23 37 24 33:29
18 24 Sundström, Niklas......... MODO CE 50 11 26 37 42 43:29
19 24 Moran, Brad.............. VÄX.. CE 55 9 28 37 22 37:37
20 11 Hjalmarsson, Simon....... LHF.. LW 53 19 17 36 8 37:24
21 41 Bellemare, Pierre-Edouard SAIK. RW 55 19 17 36 40 34:22
22 10 Larsson, Johan............. BIF... RW 49 12 24 36 34 20:30
23 17 Söderberg, Carl............. LHC.. CE 42 14 21 35 20 30:24
24 12 Iggulden, Mike.............. VÄX.. RW 41 13 21 34 12 25:31
25 18 Gunderson, Ryan........... BIF... RD 55 9 25 34 6 22:35

Jakob Silfverberg will probably be a Senator next year. Fantastic player!
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby TDA Rum » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:06 am

Per, isn't Niklas Danielson still Canucks property ?
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Per » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:21 am

TDA Rum wrote:Per, isn't Niklas Danielson still Canucks property ?

Well, he was drafted by the Canucks in 2003... afaik he has never been signed by them, and I'm not sure, but I think exclusive rights to unsigned European draft picks expires after two years, right? There is a suggestionn from the European leagues that that time period should be extended, since the feeling is that many players are brought to the NHL too early because of the two year limit, but afaik that's still the rule. Afaik he's Modo property, but I'd assume he may be considered a free agent by the NHL.

http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=610
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby TDA Rum » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:45 am

Thanks ! ... I wasn't too sure how that worked because they still have some Russian and other European players still listed on their Canucks prospect list on the Canucks website....
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby donlever » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:51 am

TDA Rum wrote:Thanks ! ... I wasn't too sure how that worked because they still have some Russian and other European players still listed on their Canucks prospect list on the Canucks website....


The proverbial fill ins for illusionary purposes.

For example, Kiril Koltsov ain't a piece of our depth pool.

Dude's never coming here and he is not a moveable asset.

Yet there he is no Canucks.com, the 29 year old "in the system" defenseman.
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby TDA Rum » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:24 am

What about guys like Ilia Kablukov and Mats Froshaug are they no longer our property either ?
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Re: Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond...

Postby Fred » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:06 pm

Kiril Koltsov is a special case. He really jerked the club around and as long as he can pull on a pair of skates they will hang on to his rights. Plus I believe he is grandfather into the old agreement that had no specific period when you must sign a player by. If he ever wants to play in the NHL it's going to be with the Canucks and no matter how good he is he will start in the AHL. Amongst other things he walked out on the club half way through a season. He will play out his days in the KHL
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