Trade Deadline Discussion

[Strangelove]

Ummm, Doc......Did you really say Gustavsson?

Sure why not, he's a decent backup.

He'd look better on the Nucks than the sorry-ass Leaves.

How about get Schneider signed to an extension and then Raymond + Rome + Lack for Schenn.

You have to give to get and I don't see Schneids signing anything more than a 1-year extension with us.

Then he's a UFA.

(he'd sign a longer extension if he was in a #1 goalie situation).

[Strangelove]

I can't shake this feeling that Schenn is a "beast" in the making.

And that he'd thrive in Canucks' system.

And i like his contract.

To TO: Schneids + Alberts

To Vcr: Schenn + Gustavsson (Beast + Monster)

Gives Burkie some cap room for another big deadline, get Schenn while ya can....

Doc, I agree. I think Schenn can become a "beast" in this system. However, I don't like the "monster"... none too frightening except when he's tending. Besides we got our own "Lack-ness Monster" who's ready to rise from the depths next year to terrorize shooters.

Monster is a UFA after this season, we let him walk.

I think he’d be an okay backup for the rest of this season.

Plus he’s Swedish = he’ll fit right in!

[Farhan Lalji]

Monster is a UFA after this season, we let him walk.

I think he’d be an okay backup for the rest of this season.

Plus he’s Swedish = he’ll fit right in!

Doc,

That's actually a really interesting idea, and I'm actually getting a little hard thinking about it.

My only concern is if "the monster" can play like a true #1 goalie if Luongo falters come playoff time (and it becomes obvious that Luongo will need to be permanently replaced to restore team morale). There is a great chance that Schneider will be able to do this. Will "the monster?"

Schenn might be a great player in 1 or 2 years, but the Canucks' window is right now. Will he be able to make a significant impact for us right now?

[Strangelove]

My only concern is if "the monster" can play like a true #1 goalie if Luongo falters come playoff time (and it becomes obvious that Luongo will need to be permanently replaced to restore team morale).

I dunno, we'd have Monster or Lack to turn to...

and hey we're prolly screwed if that happens anyway.

There is a great chance that Schneider will be able to do this. Will "the monster?"

Not so sure how "great" that chance is given his experience.

Schenn might be a great player in 1 or 2 years, but the Canucks' window is right now. Will he be able to make a significant impact for us right now?

I have a feeling Schenn would fit in here just fine yeah.

I think the window is there for a few more years.

[mathonwy]

I like this trade as well and it benefits both clubs.

Both Ginger and Schenn are legit blue chippers. Alberts can play a regular bottom pairing shift and Monster would be a good back up to Luo.

It sure beats losing Ginger for nothing.

Good trade Strange. Can you text GMMG to make this happen?

Thanks.

[Farhan Lalji]

Alright Doc - you sold me.

After thinking about it a little more, that would actually be a really good deal for us........short term and long term.

Nice thought!

[Boston Canucker]

I would hate to see Schneider backstopping the Leafs for the next decade. That in itself would make me against dealing to them. But as it concerns Schenn, I have my doubts; seen him play in a number of games, not overwhelmed. Granted, it takes D longer to develop than forwards, but I'm always wary of Leaf's trade bait, due to their media positioning they are almost always over-valued. Recall the frenzy over Kaberle, and you'd think Kadri was the second coming. I'd prefer Schneids to TB for Hedman as part of a package; I think that kid has a better top 2 D future.

Still, I'm hoping Gillis leaves the crew pretty much together. I'd prefer the 2 goalie combo in the playoffs. It is clear with the type of starts Ginger has been getting the AV is setting up to be ready to play him if need be come playoff time. I mean who hasn't wondered what would have happened if Ginger had played Games 3,4, 6 or 7? Maybe the same result, but the kid is darn solid and throws in a new twist to the opponent, plays well under pressure. I still have faith in Luongo but not blind faith. Ginger can go in the summer, on draft day, to TB for Hedman and a flip of #1 picks.

[Jovocop]

I would hate to see Schneider backstopping the Leafs for the next decade. That in itself would make me against dealing to them. But as it concerns Schenn, I have my doubts; seen him play in a number of games, not overwhelmed. Granted, it takes D longer to develop than forwards, but I'm always wary of Leaf's trade bait, due to their media positioning they are almost always over-valued. Recall the frenzy over Kaberle, and you'd think Kadri was the second coming. I'd prefer Schneids to TB for Hedman as part of a package; I think that kid has a better top 2 D future.

Still, I'm hoping Gillis leaves the crew pretty much together. I'd prefer the 2 goalie combo in the playoffs. It is clear with the type of starts Ginger has been getting the AV is setting up to be ready to play him if need be come playoff time. I mean who hasn't wondered what would have happened if Ginger had played Games 3,4, 6 or 7? Maybe the same result, but the kid is darn solid and throws in a new twist to the opponent, plays well under pressure. I still have faith in Luongo but not blind faith. Ginger can go in the summer, on draft day, to TB for Hedman and a flip of #1 picks.

That is so true. Just imagine Schneider stopping the Canucks' win streak against the Leafs...

[mathonwy]

Luke Schenn
NUMBER: 2
HEIGHT: 6' 2"
WEIGHT: 229
SHOOTS: RIGHT
BORN: 2 NOV 1989 (AGE 22)
BIRTHPLACE: SASKATOON, SK, CANADA


ASSETS: Has excellent shutdown ability and leadership qualities. Is steady, bull-like strong and takes the man with aplomb. Loves to hit and block shots. Strong positionally, he has the mobility to recover when beat. Makes a solid first pass.

FLAWS: Has a heavy blast from the point, but he doesn't possess great offensive instincts, which will limit his ability to put up points consistently at the National Hockey League level. Can be guilty of putting himself out of position from time to time.

CAREER POTENTIAL: Big-minute shutdown defenseman with upside.

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If takes Ginger to do it, I'd do it.

[tantalum]

We've discussed this Schenn for Schneider trade before and I think it makes quite a bit of sense. To me if this was the offseason you take that deal no questions asked. Right now it really is dependent on what you think of Luongo. Are you confident with him between the pipes the next half decade or more? If so you make the deal. If not you hold onto Schneider to evaluate the tow goaltenders (mainly Luongo) for another playoff.

Luongo has some playoff warts. Many would point to the cup final and say he wasn't nearly good enough. Other would point to the cup final and say without some great goaltending in three of the games the canucks don't make it anywhere near the 7th game. I'm not actually sure where Gillis is right now in his thought process on the goaltenders. I have my doubts that it is simply "we like having two good goaltenders so that Luongo can get more rest during the season", but I'm not convinced it's "I don't trust Luongo so we need to look at him for another playoff year and then make our decision on who to go with going forward". It may simply be "I don't believe the market for Schneider is at it's max and I'll wait some more".

[ESQ]

. But as it concerns Schenn, I have my doubts; seen him play in a number of games, not overwhelmed. Granted, it takes D longer to develop than forwards, but I'm always wary of Leaf's trade bait, due to their media positioning they are almost always over-valued. Recall the frenzy over Kaberle, and you'd think Kadri was the second coming.

I agree with this. I don't see a potential beast in Schenn, considering he's been a healthy scratch on a pretty terrible Leafs team, plus its not a great contract at $3.6 million per at his current level. The guy I'd rather see MG go after is Jack Johnson. $4.358 mil cap hit, with a term lasting until 2018. I think he's already a better player than Schenn, and I think he has better upside. It would take a 3-way trade though, as our top trade bait doesn't fit LA's needs. Maybe Schneider+ to CBJ for Carter, then Carter for Johnson?
As for Hedman - yeah I'd love him, but he's going nowhere.

[tantalum]

I think the problem with Schenn is that more often than not he gets thrown to the wolves. He's never been properly developed on a good team that knows how to develop kids. Sure he's been a healthy scratch a couple of times but it's on a team that for some reason believes they have great depth in the blueline when in reality they have spent two years scrambling to figure out some consistency. Consistency...something young D-men tend not to haveand why they need to be protected and brought along properly.

Schenn or Jack Johnson? No idea really. Johnson obviously has offensive gifts that are electric but his decision making on the defensive side of things makes the bad Bieksa look like a Norris candidate. And he has a Lindros like dad to deal with.

[ESQ]

I think the problem with Schenn is that more often than not he gets thrown to the wolves. He's never been properly developed on a good team that knows how to develop kids. Sure he's been a healthy scratch a couple of times but it's on a team that for some reason believes they have great depth in the blueline when in reality they have spent two years scrambling to figure out some consistency. Consistency...something young D-men tend not to haveand why they need to be protected and brought along properly.

Schenn or Jack Johnson? No idea really. Johnson obviously has offensive gifts that are electric but his decision making on the defensive side of things makes the bad Bieksa look like a Norris candidate. And he has a Lindros like dad to deal with.

The same could be said of Johnson. I didn't realize he was a team-worst -21 last season, but he was leading the team in ice-time and almost all of his offense was on the PP. Schenn on the other hand was among the worst Leafs defensemen at -7 last year playing 22 min a night, but this year he's down to 16 minutes and is seeing substantially improved numbers. Johnson is putting up similar numbers to last year, but slightly less points and slightly better plus minus, but he's still leading the team in icetime while playing with Doughty, who is struggling this year.
Schenn is a 5/6 Dman on Toronto, what does that make him here? Johnson is #1/2 in LA, and that probably makes him a solid 3-4 on our team.

The defenseman I'd want out of Toronto is Cody Franson. He's young, gigantic, decent-offensively, and could be the clear-the-net defenseman we've been missing.

[okcanuck]

I think the problem with Schenn is that more often than not he gets thrown to the wolves. He's never been properly developed on a good team that knows how to develop kids. Sure he's been a healthy scratch a couple of times but it's on a team that for some reason believes they have great depth in the blueline when in reality they have spent two years scrambling to figure out some consistency. Consistency...something young D-men tend not to haveand why they need to be protected and brought along properly.

Schenn or Jack Johnson? No idea really. Johnson obviously has offensive gifts that are electric but his decision making on the defensive side of things makes the bad Bieksa look like a Norris candidate. And he has a Lindros like dad to deal with.

Schenn has always been thrown to the wolves. Started as an eighteen year old and the leafs in their infinate wisdom decided he was ready for the NHL. One more year of junior and Schenn would now be a much better defenceman

I think he would be an excellant pick-up for the Nucks

[wienerdog]

BTW it's likely Schneids only plays a few more games this season.

And ZERO in the playoffs.

So a decent backup is all we need if we trade him.

If Lou goes down with a big injury we're screwed anyway I figure....

I'm not saying I don't support the right trade involving Schneids if the return is right, doc, but I think you're off the mark here.

Look at the starts CS got this year. The Boston game alone tells you everything you need to know.

If Lou falters in the post-season, Cory will see his chances. I seem to remember an HW rumour mentioning that that was pretty much the outlook that MG and AV were going into the season with.

If you are right, you gotta ask: why is the kid still here?